Comments by "TheVilla Aston" (@thevillaaston7811) on "TIKhistory"
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@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
Walter Model was in Oosterbeek when MARKET GARDEN started . Just as anyone would, he cleared off straightaway. In his case, to Castle Wisch in Terborg 20 miles from Arnhem Bridge, safely in German held territory. There, he was able to direct the German battle without distractions. After all, the Americans were not giving the Germans any real problems in other parts of the front.
During Market Garden, Montgomery was at Hechtel, between nine and ten miles from the the front line at the start of the battle. By the end of the battle Montgomery was at Eindhoven, as evidenced by General Urquhart. Montgomery's counterpart in the FAAA, Brereton was in Britain. The allied land forces commander, Eisenhower, wat at Ranville, in Normandy, France.
What do people expect? That Montgomery drive up to Nijmegen in the lead tank?
Bradley was not in the front at Aachen or Metz.
Of course, unlike Bradley and Eisenhower, Montgomery had personal combat experience. He fought in the First World War, being wounded twice, and being awarded the DSO.
As for Montgomery's personal courage...
'Monty's own fearlessness was legendary. Standing on the beaches of Dunkirk he had berated his ADC for not wearing a helmet after a shell had landed almost beside them. 'But sir, nor are you,' the helpless young officer had complained. Landing in Sicily, Monty had toured the bridge-head in a DUKW with Lord Louis Mountbatten, C-in-C Combined Operations. When a German aircraft screamed very low over their heads Mountbatten had wisely thrown himself to the floor of the vehicle. 'Get up, get up,' Monty had chided him impatiently. Though he was conscious and careful of his health, with a near-fetish for pullovers worn one on top of the other, he seemed to feel no fear of enemy sniper, artillery or aircraft fire. Indeed so oblivious did he seem to the danger of snipers in Normandy that the War Office had sent a special cable pleading with him to wear less conspicuous 'uniform', lest like Nelson he fall needless victim to an enemy sharp-shooter—a cable that amused Monty since it so patently ignored the dictates of great leadership in battle, that a commander must be seen by his men and recognized.'
MONTY
The Field-Marshal
1944-1976
NIGEL HAMILTON
HAMISH HAMILTON
LONDON 1986
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@wintersking4290
But how big a failure was it?..
MARKET GARDEN freed a fifth of the Dutch population, hindered German rocket attacks on London, stretched German defences another fifty miles, and left the allies well placed to attack into Germany in the months ahead. MARKET GARDEN’s casualties (17,000), should be compared to allied failures in the same period at AACHEN (20,000 casualties), METZ (45,000 casualties), and the HURTGEN FOREST (55,000 casualties).
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@rob5944
'produce the post where I bad mouthed cancer suffers' Big Woody.
OK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1dz3pqbRaw&lc=z22nynu4atrhwxlnjacdp4325nlpx1skqtxs4nq3whdw03c010c.1525899193752468&feature=em-comments
Lead comment:
Big Woody 3 years ago (edited)
‘From Patton:A Genius for War,By Carlo D'Este
After the War General Fritz Bayerlein commander of Panzer Lehr Division and the Afrika Corp.He assesesed the escape of Rommel's Panzers after Alamein "I do not think General Patton would have let us get away so easily"said Bayerlein .Comparing Patton with Guderian and Montgomery with Von Rundstedt .Grudging admiration of Patton was even expressed by Adolf Hitler,who referred to him as "that crazy cowboy General"’
Big Woody 3 years ago
'Trevor Dupay numbers weren't close to the US Army archives - the guy had 5 wives and committed suicide,doesn't sound real solid unfortunately,
TheViila Aston 3 years ago
‘As for this bloke Dupuy, it seems that he actually served in the war and during his life was a professor at Harvard University. He wrote or co-wrote 50 books. Why would he make this sort of stuff up?
Regarding his suicide, this is what I found: ‘Dupuy committed suicide by gunshot at his home in Vienna, Virginia on June 5, 1995; he had learned three weeks earlier that he had terminal pancreatic cancer.’ Judge him how you will, I won’t.’
Big Woody 3 years ago
‘My mother in law died of pancreatic cancer and so did a co-worker,i probably should have sought their views on the subject then.'
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@mgt2010fla
'Lie! Lie! Lie! Patton went to Brittany then east and north and still beat Monty, the Ground Commander, to close the Gap! Monty went due north and Patton went across north and east in France to the German border! You are a fuking liar! Read Max Hastings, the Cambridge Don, and he tells the truth! Ambrose, Atkinson, et al all back it up! '
Your words.
This is what the US General Bradley had to say on the 'Gap':
‘The British and Canadian armies were to decoy the enemy reserves and draw them to their front on the extreme eastern edge of the Allied beachhead. Thus while Monty taunted the enemy at Caen, we were to make our break on the long roundabout road to Paris. When reckoned in terms of national pride this British decoy mission became a sacrificial one, for which while we trampled around the outside flank, the British were to sit in place and pin down the Germans. Yet strategically it fitted into a logical division of labors, for it was towards Caen that the enemy reserves would race once the alarm was sounded.’
'"In halting Patton at Argentan, however, I did not consult Montgomery. The decision to stop Patton was mine alone. I much preferred a solid shoulder at Argentan to the possibility of a broken neck at Falaise"'.
His words.
Where did Hastings, Ambrose and Atkinson serve in the Second World War?..
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@mgt2010fla
'Cambridge, Oxford, same thing to me! '
I thought it might be.
'I was pointing out that he is one of the best historians, anywhere, on the battles in the ETO!'
But Eisenhower, Bradley, DeGuingand, Montgomery and others who were there have all written accounts. Chester Wilmot who was also there has writen what is possibly the definative account of the campaign in Western Europe. The Enigma secrets, which only slightly modified the story of events came out in the mid-1970s. What does Histings bring to the party that is new?
'the British would not have won the war vs Germany without the US!'
No one would have won without Britain hlding out in 1940. Not Russia they would have been attacked earlier. Not the USA - how would they have got there?
'Because they protect minors in the US so I've never seen his name, but, he would at least 85 years old by now.'
But Europe does things differently, so, to an extent does Britain. How would such a story have been kept under wraps. Dont guees - find an answer.
'Monty didn't open any of the Channel ports heading northwest, and, was almost canned for running his mouth! ' He opened up Dieppe, Le Havre and Boulogne.
'His aide Freddie de Guingand saved Monty from being sent home in disgrace.'
Hardly in disgrace - he would have got a hero's welcome for telling the US.
''Monty apologized to Eisenhower and after that Monty was given the job of guarding Bradley's flank and securing the Danish border to keep the Russians out!'
While the USA helped itself to everything in the Ruhr that was not nailed down.
'While Monty was preparing another set piece battle to jump the Rhine, Bradley, with Courtney and Patton, beat Monty over the river! '
Read this:
‘The March 24 operation sealed the fate of Germany. Already, of course, we had secured two bridgeheads farther to the south. But in each of these cases surprise and good fortune had favoured us. The northern operation was made in the teeth of the greatest resistance the enemy could provide anywhere along the long river. Moreover, it was launched directly on the edge of the Ruhr and the successful landing on the eastern bank placed strong forces in position to deny the enemy use of significant portions of that great industrial area.’
US General Dwight D Eisenhower.
MUST DO BETTER...
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@dougdenhamlouie
OK. So you made it up Montgomery being threatened with the sack.
As for the rest...your words in 'single quotes '.
'The only thing you did well was the merlin engine and the 17lb antitank gun.'
Who can say? Perhaps also the Spitfire, the Wellington, the Mosquito, the Lancaster, the Meteor. Perhaps, also the Churchil tank, the Universal Carrier, the Cromwell tank, the Comet tank, the six pounder gun, the 25 pounder gun. Perhaps also the armoured aircraft carriers, the Hunt class escorts, the Tribal class destroyers. Perhaps also, the Cavity Magnatron, the proximity fuse, the world's first electronic computer.
Who can say...
'When we took over Britain was on the ropes leaving everything you had in France.'
The USA never took over. Recovery was swift in regard what was left in France. By the end of August 1940, we were able to send 250 tanks to the Middle East. By early 1941, we had two million fully armed men in Britain...It was not likey they show it in Hollywood films.
'From Dec 7 1941 we cranked up our industry and sent ya our rejects.'
Yea, having bled Britain and France white. Meanwhile, on its own, Britain out-produced Germany.
'The early Sherman tommy cookers we sent you had the rotary B17 engines. Your tankers loved them compared to every one of your shitty tanks.'
Err...fraid not. My father was in a tank division that used both Churchill and Sherman tanks. The first thing that anyone sent to the Shermans did was to write their last will and tetament.
'We did not like em. Even the Grant was a big hit. So we sent em to you.'
And why not? The USA had no use for them, they were not doing any fighting.
'My dad flew with the 15th 333 and liked flying the spitfire Mk V and IX until he got the P51.'
And he then liked the Spitfire even better.
'So when my dad was in England...did he fuck your slutty Grandmother. Is that the deal?'
Both of my grandmothers were in the 50s during the war, and neither lived the West of England, were the US Army wasted space. Doubtless, a few slags went with Americans, its the same in every country. Word is, the American level of performace was like that of their tanks, very disappointing. Still, as anyone Briton who has visited the USA can testify, American birds are easy. As soon as they hear that British accent, they are soaking wet. Even easier, were the US farming girls who came over every year on the US 4H scheme. We all used to make a diary note of their arrival date. Perhaps your wife was one of them?
'Want to know my revenge?'
Nope, I could'nt care less.
'I'm going to shoot a feral hog tonight with a thermal sighted AR15 6.5mm I built last week.'
What sort of revenge is that?
'I'm betting you can't even own a .22.'
I hope not. We have just about the lowest gun crime rate of any major country, because we have the strictest gun ownership laws. I wish they were stricter. Even our police are unarmed. This pandemic has cost a lot of American lives. But think how many have been saved with the US schools beimng closed. None of those weekly campus mass shootings...
0/10 for competence.
10/10 for giving me a good laugh.
Got any more pearl's of wisdom?
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@Answer Questions
-Eisenhower had agreed to defer the opening of Antwerp so that Market Garden could be launched.
-The 17,000 lossses at Market Garden should be compared to Eisenhower's losses in his defeats at Aachen (20,000), Metz (45,000), and the Hurtgen Forest (55,000).
-The V2 rocket campaign was hindered by Market Garden.
-The number of Dutch civilian deaths in the winter 1944/45 are dwarfed by the number of people that were liberated by Market Garden. Further, there is no evidence the Netherlands would have been liberated before the end of the war if Market Garden had not taken place, or that that the Germans would have behaved any differently towards the Dutch at that time if Market Garden had not taken place.
-The deporting of Dutch people to work in Germany statred long before Market took place.
-Montgomery did not boast about anything in regard to Market Garden.
-The timetable for crossing the Rhine was down to Eisenhower's lunatic broad front strategy. Montgomery had been obliged to postpone his drive to the Rhine at the beginning of 1945 in order that he could sort out Bradley's mess in the Ardennes. Bradley had enough trouble in trying to manage two armies, let alone three. Given ther importance that Germans placed on the Ruhr, giving US 9th army to Montgomery use was an obvious decision, even for Eisenhower.
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@Answer Questions
'Monty did crap in the ardennes puhleeeze,What he won he won in NA with overwhelming superiority in men, materials,ULTRA and air support. And then barely.. and poorly.Not because of maneuver,guile or tactics.Monty had serious deficiencies in fluid battles, and had limited ability to adjust his methods to changing operational situations. balance,flexibility, cooperation, simplicity and the assimulation of combat lessons.he was vain,rude objectionable - a legend in his own mind.'
Montgomery's actions in the Ardennes drew this comment from Hasso von Manteuffel. Commander, 5th Panzer Army:
‘The operations of the American 1st Army had developed into a series of individual holding actions. Montgomery's contribution to restoring the situation was that he turned a series of isolated actions into a coherent battle fought according to a clear and definite plan. It was his refusal to engage in premature and piecemeal counter-attacks which enabled the Americans to gather their reserves and frustrate the German attempts to extend their breakthrough’.
Winning with 'overwhelming superiority in men, materials,ULTRA and air support' applied to every single US vicory in Europe. Which ones do Americans want?
'Monty had serious deficiencies in fluid battles, and had limited ability to adjust his methods to changing operational situations. balance,flexibility, cooperation, simplicity and the assimulation of combat lessons.'
What a load of rubbish.
'he was vain,rude objectionable - a legend in his own mind.'
Who cares?
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@angloaust1575
The only source for the lunatic story that Montgomery was detained by US troops is 'Killing Patton' by some hack authors called Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard.
Montgomery's only visit to the Bulge battle area is well documented . He travelled from his headquarters in Zonhoven in Belgium to Hodges's headquaters at Chaudfontaine in Belgium on the 20th December 1944. A distance of of approximately 45 miles. He arrived at Hodges's headquaters at 1pm, stayed for three hours and then returned to Zonhoven and there exchanged cable messages with Eisenhower.
Montgomery's activities in his visit to the First Army HQ are well known.
THE GUNS AT LAST LIGHT
THE WAR IN WESTERN EUROPE, 1944-1945
Rick Atkinson
LITTLE BROWN
2013.
P 448
‘At 12.52 p.m., a SCHAEF log entry confirmed that “Field Marshall Montgomery has been placed in charge of the northern flank.” He would command the U.S. First and Ninth Armies, as well as his own army group; Twelfth Army Group was left with only Patton’s Third Army.
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‘Having been alerted to the impending command change at 2:30 Wednesday morning, he dispatched a major to Chaudfontaine for a “bedside conference” with Hodges who was roused from his sleep to learn that four British divisions were moving towards the Meuse to secure he riverbanks and bridges. Roadblocks also had been built on the Brussels highway with vehicles and carts.
‘The field marshal himself arrived at Chaudfontaine at 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday in a green Rolls-Royce flying a Union Jack and five-star pennant from the front fenders, accompanied by outrider jeeps with red-capped MPS. As usual he was dressed without orthodoxy in fur-lined boots, baggy corduroy trousers and as many as eight pullovers. “Unwrapping the bearskin in which he was enveloped,” Iris Carpenter reported, “he picked up his box of Sandwiches, his thermos jug of tea and his situation map chalked over with his grease pencil, and marched inside.’
‘Politely declining Hodges’s offer of lunch—“Oh, no, I’ve got my own” — he propped his map on a chair and said calmly “ Now let’s review this situation…The first thing we must do is to tidy up the battlefield.”’
‘Three hours later they had both a plan and an understanding. Hodges and his staff appeared tired and dispirited, British officers later reported, but determined to hold fast.’
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