Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Anders Puck Nielsen"
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I guess that things will be like it was with the Iraq war in 2003 which the American people strongly supported.
Most americans were okay with a an unprovoced war of aggression, they were okay with torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, they were okay with their government behaving like an a$$hole towards European countries. They were okay with a government that took away one human right after another... they were okay with the government spying on the American people. They were okay with suspending habeas corpus and that the government could keep a person in detention for unlimited time. They were bullying any anti-war protestor and calling them "anti-american", and if you protested the government for any reason - even for things that did not have to do with the Iraq war, you could get labeled as "anti-american" or "unpatriotic" and lose your job as a school teacher.
This was what USA was like in the years 2003-2006. The American people even voted for the fascist idiot George W Bush to become president for 4 more years after all the evil shit that he had done. He had jacked up USAs national debt with trillions. He had started a war that killed 600.000 innocent Iraqis. He was the first president in US history that never used a veto to block a government project to keep government spending down - and unsurprinsingly did he spend more dollars than all other presidents before him had done combined!
He was wasteful with money. He was bloodthirsty. He was fascist towards Iraqis, but also to a lesser extent also towards Europeans which he treated arrogantly with the belief that USA was the worlds only superpower and could treat anyone else how they liked. He was also a believer in American exceptionalism, so per defintion was America always a power for good in this world according to his mind - even when it did bad and evil things.
He silenced any anti-war sentiments by labeling them as "unpatriotic". So either you were for George W Bush, or you were an anti-american traitor. So most people did choose to fall in line.
And in most opinion polls did the war in Iraq remain popular among the American people. People were ignorant. Many could not even point out where Iraq was on a map. Truth to be told, most Americans did not care. They did not care about foreign policy and the things which were going on outside their own country. It did not matter to them. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis could die and they did not care. Instead did they feel self-pity about all Americans who had died in this stupid pointless war.
And instead of blaming Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Powell for this mess did the warmongering American right-wingers spew their hatred on muslims instead. And one American rightwing politician suggested that Arabia should be nuked and that the sand should turn into heat from the nuclear bomb. And on TV you could see Fox news pumping out lies and pro-war propaganda nonstop, and rightwing media personalities like Ann Coulter who strongly supported "The war on terror" in Arabia and the middle east delievered the following statement: "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
I think that quote well sum up the worldview that almost all Republicans had back then.
Not just Bush and his government was pro-war, but so was also the rightwing media such as Bill O'reilly, Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro, and others. And the opposition were silent and afraid to say a single word.
But then this all came to an end.
The fall of the Republican party government did come. But it did not come because of the Iraq war.
Nope. People were upset about things in their own home country instead. They were angry about the governments handeling of the hurricane Katrina and the devestation it had brought to New Orleans.
Finally was someone allowed to criticise Bush's government. And that led to the fall in popularity for the Republican party. And that did allow for the democrats to win the next election. And in 2008 did the financial crisis come and people were tired of all wars and Obama promised to fix those things
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Så har det varit ända sedan 1914. Torpeden gjorde slagskeppet omodernt redan under första världskriget. Många vägrade att acceptera faktum under 1920 och 1930-talen. På 1940 talet blev det dock uppenbart att slagskeppen var dinosaurier dömda att dö ut, en efter en slogs de ut av torpeder och angrepp från ubåtar och flygplan. Som Royal Oak, Bismarck, Tirpitz, Yamato, Musashi, Repulse och Prince of Wales, flygangreppen på Taranto och Pearl Harbor.
Så efter andra världskriget var ingen stormakt längre intresserad av att bygga stor artilleriskepp. Amerikanerna tog till och med och avbeställde sitt gigantiska Montana klassen slagskepp mitt under brinnande världskrig. Maktbalansen var rubbad. Alla insåg det. Sjökrig var inte längre något som bara en liten klubb länder som USA, Japan, Tyskland, England, Frankrike, Italien, och Ryssland hade råd med.
Slagskeppens tid var nu förbi och mindre länder kunde nu ha råd med att bygga massvis av små fartyg. Torpedbåtar, korvetter och sånt. På sin höjd kunde någon kryssare få finnas kvar, men då endast för att ge skyddande eld åt torpedbåtarna när de skulle genomföra sina anfall. Men inte ens några nya kryssare ville man bygga efter kriget. På sin höjd kunde stora skepp som jagare kanske ses som användbara.
Men på 1960-talet så ändrades allt igen med nästa stora teknologiska genombrott: missilbåten. Sovjet började som första land att bygga små snabba båtar som kunde bära missiler som huvudbeväpning. Dessa kunde lätt sänka stora krigsskepp. Och att ha stora kanoner och tjockt pansar blev alltmera värdelöst. Torpeder kunde göra massiv skada på krigsskepp med att träffa dom när vattenlinjen eller under skeppet så att fartyget klövs itu. Nu kunde däremot missiler färdas otroligt långa sträckor - längre än vad den största kanonen på ett slagskepp kunde skjuta - och missilen kunde orsaka massiv skada och sänka det mäktigaste slagskeppet i världen med bara en träff.
Pansarskydd har blivit helt värdelöst. Ett slagskepp på 60.000 ton är numera inte mycket mera värt än en liten missilbåt på några hundra ton. Stealth och snabbhet ger bättre skydd och överlevnad än 2 meter stålplåt.
Vill man så kan man så klart se historiska paralleller till tidigare i historien som till 1700-talet när den stora mäktiga svenska flottan tappade kontrollen över Östersjön till den ryska flottan som massproducerade billiga fartyg av lågkvalitéts träd. Ryssarna byggde i rask takt mer än hundra galärer som med sina åror snabbt och lätt kunde röra sig på grunda vatten där de stora kraftfulla svenska segelfartygen med sina hundratals kanoner inte kunde röra sig utan fastna.
Sverige var totalt oförberett för denna nya typ av krigföring. Stora slagskeppens tid i Östersjön tog slut, och istället blev det bättre att ha många små snabba fartyg istället.
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Its our way or the highway. What is there really anything we can or should compromise about? If someone breaks into your house, kills your dog and destroy paintings and furniture, and then he claims ownership over your living room should you give that barbarian anything? I think not. He should go to jail. And if that is not possible, then he should be outright killed on the spot.
I think it is good that we steal all frozen russian assets and give them to Ukraine as a form of war reparations. I also think that the west should give the green light to an Ukrainian invasion of Transnistria - that could remove the russian military force which prevents democracy in that country, and the land strip could be a bargening chip in a peace negotiation.
And Yes I absolutly think that the west MUST humiliate Russia. That is the only way they will learn to make peace with their neighbours and stop trying wars of aggression against their neighbours. Right now they can always try a war against their neighbours since there are no downsides of trying and only upsides - If you win a war you expand your land, and if you lose you don't have to pay anything.. no land ceded, no war reparations, no war criminals punished...
All this has to stop.
Russia should not be above the law. And we should destroy their grandious megalomaniac self-image they have of being more than anyone else. They should be treated just like any other country period.
So if Russia goes out from this war with their money stolen, and with no land gained but only land in Transnistria lost, and being an international paria, embaressed for its military failings that could not prevent a loss of territory.. and a destroyed economy and military.. then Russias self-image has to change. They have to realize that they are not Superpower anymore.
And thats the end of it.
Russias history is filled with losing war after war. The lost 10 times more soldiers than the Finns, and Finland was able to keep their independence... but in Russian propaganda is the Winter war and Continuation war not portraid as humiliating lost wars for Russia.
Same goes with their pathetic failures against Nazi-Germany and enormous losses, and that their country was saved by lend-lease is totally left out in Russian history books.
And that Russia lost 19 out of 20 battles against Sweden in the Great Northern War is also something Russia likes to forget and only talk about the battle of Poltava.
So it is therefore time that we in this war leave no doubt which side is the loser, and which side is the winner. Russia must suck it up that they lose this war and get humiliated. They need to wake up. Wake up like dumb child who think he is a great hockey player and musician because his mom told he so... but now that stupid child needs to hear the painful truth and find a new hobby that he actually got some talent for.
The Russian people is like this child with an unreaslistic worldview. From education and from media have they been taught that russia is a great military power that have never lost a war, and never started any unjustified wars and had any evil intentions and commited genocide.
I think it is time that russians learn that their military sucks. And that they should get another hobby than militarism.
Fix their own economy in their 3rd world country, instead of destroying other countries for example...
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The East Bloc collapsed and the Cold war ended with people in Germany took to the streets and protested and the Berlin wall was torn down.
And all regimes are weak and have to bow to the people. Hitler was very scared that the German people would rise up against his war, like the German people had protested against world war 1 in 1918. So he always listened to public opinion and tried to avoid a total mobilization for war of German society for as long as he could. Only in early 1943 was Germany mobilized for total war... and that was like 3 years after Britain, a year after USA, and one and a half year after Russia.
So it was too little, too late to win the industrial war against the allies.
And even if his brutal regime was capable of killing approximatly 12 million people in the holocaust, was this regime still pathetically powerless when it feared a backlash from public opinion. The protests at Rosenstrasse was a battle that protesters won against Hitlers regime that wanted to take away all jewish husbands from women in Berlin and deport them to Auschwitz to be gassed to death. So had the German people only protested more, its possible that the holocaust would never have happened.
And also Communist China today are fearful of public protests. It had to bow down and abandon its zero-covid policy with its brutal consequences for ordinary people out of fear of backlash from protestors. And this protest was anti-Covid restrictiosn, but it also started to become anti-regime protests, and pro-democracy protests... and this scary development
could not be crushed by brutal force alone. So the Chinese government quickly scrapped all Covid measures over a night, and Covid began to spread like a wildfire in China among a population which previously been totally unexposed to the disease and lacked the natural immunity which could be seen in other countries such as Sweden.
And the result became an over-burdened healthcare system as hundreds of thousands catched Covid, and the shocks to the Chinese economy became severe. This was not what the Commie dictatorship regime had wished for, but this is what they got.
And all this shows that public opinion matters. But then of course you need to break a threshold and have much willingness to fight among the population and a large part of the population must be against the regime. It didn't help that tens of millions of people protested against the Iraq war in 2003.
Preferbly do I also think it helps if the population is armed, so that the police is fearful of using force to break up a protest. Or even fearful of trying to break up a protest peacefully.
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