Comments by "HaJo Os." (@hajoos.8360) on "Drachinifel"
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@22KaTsh Yes, of course, but all of your events you mentioned, were results of the Versailles Treaty, with many German people losing their civil rights in artificial states as Poland or Czechoslovakia. The US government under Bill Clinton intervened (as Adolf Hitler) when 700.000 Albanians were expelled from the Kosovo. This happened to 1.500.000 Germans or more, after the Versailles Treaty. In Poland ruled a very aggressive military dictatorship from 1926 (1921) till the invasion. When Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland, the Allies, France and Britain, declared war over Germany, but not over the Sovjetunion, which means any moral standards in their decision-process were excluded. The most beloved Gustav Stresemann, a Nobel peace laureate, demanded much harder corrections of the Versailles Treaty than Adolf Hitler. I will not defend Mr. Hitler. But we have to decide, we talk about historical facts, as Drach usually do, or we talk about morals, which is most times a failed debate. How we could compare anyone (of the bad guys) in history with the greatest Rogue- and Pirate-State on the planet, the British Empire?
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Iowa-class battleships were a failed investment at all, a lot of money for nothing, often happens still today in the industrial military complex. The Iowa-class were useless as battleships, only used to transport US presidents & as batteries without the chance to receive unfriendly fire. The Panama-canal limit of a 33 meter beam & the monstrous propulsion enforced the reponsable engineers to prolongate the long straight mid-section of the ships, which implies a worse artillery-platform during a battle led at full speed & made the hull very vulnerable against incoming fire. Compare Bismarck's hull. Only a short part of the mid-section reaches a beam of 36 meters, a much better shape to stabilise the hull during action & delivers much better streamlines. That's the reason the US navy never exposed the Iowas to unfriendly fire. The Iowas are crap, armed pesidental yachts. All the new US battleships had that wide mid-aft section. USS Washington was critized for her seakeeping qualities when she served with the Home Fleet. And Iowa could not keep up with HMS Vanguard during heavy weather in post war NATO exercise "Mariner" in 1953. Vanguard's rounded hull looks very German, with a length of 248 meters & a beam of 33, a ratio better than Hoods with 262 & 32. But Hood was still better than the Iowas with 270 & 33. In comparison the Scharnhorsts relatively good 235 & 30, but they received always sea-damages & were wet as Hood. Bismarck tops all with 250 & 36. PoW & Repulse sunk already after a ridiculous pounding. Scharnhorst took more poundings than the Yamatos before she sunk. The shape of the hull is a decisive factor. This diminishes the theory of the British torpedo sinking of Bismarck to 0. 4 torpedo-hits were, of course, not enough to sink Bismarck, when Scharnhorst sunk just after the 14th ship-to-ship-torpedo-hit.
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Again a lot of work, Drach made, to present us the well documented sea-history, exspecially Nelson, of this age more lively. 3 decisive points in this fine documentation are false, from my point of view. 1. Nelson was not that genius, he was a propaganda figure. Of course, he was a good officer, a fine seaman, but no gentleman (easy to realise, how he handled the fate of Admiral Carraciolo). He won only against the amateurs & idiots, he failed against the professionals, for example at Tenerife. Sidney Smith & Thomas Cochrane were much more talented than Nelson & Nelson knew it, followed them with his jealousy. In my personal view both guys were the best sea-officers of all time. 2. Nelson did not invented the frontal attack against the enemy-line with 2 columns. Another more genius scotsman did it before. Admiral Duncan, a very smart giant, able to do the job of every able seaman, invented it 8 years before Trafalgar at the Battle of Camperdown against the Dutch. Unfortunately for the Brits, Duncan died already in 1804. He obviously would have avoided all those wrong decisions made by Nelson following the idiot Villeneuve. 3. Villeneuve was brave. Of course not, he was a coward & never fit for command. It was Boney's failure not to know his admirals by character. At the Nile the Frogs had only amateurs in command. Brueys sent the half of his crews to land for fetching water, instead to demand soldiers from Alexandria for the job. He knew that Nelson was after him, so the Frogs fought only with a half crew. Brueys anchored only by bow anchors, too frenchie lazy to bring out a spring on stern anchors. During the battle Villeneuve, commanding the rear, had enough time to establsih a spring for 2 ships of the line, to hammer the british bows of their leading vessels, let's say Bellerophon and Orion. And of course Boney had a better admiral relegated as a governor in the Carribean, Villaret-Joyeuse. Villaret-Joyeuse was educated by the best French admiral ever, Suffren (more british than the Brits, always demanded close action on pistol range). Villaret-Joyeuse (before the war a post-captain) fought without educated crews (with merchant sailing-masters on board) against Howe at the Glorious First of June. He was defeated tactically and won strategically. With his miserable crews this was an outstanding performance. Villaret-Joyeuse would have sailed into the channel and you, guys, would have to listen now a Froggish docu.
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The Union knocked out many federal forts with Monitors, at this time a necessary performance, which otherwise would have cost many lifes of Union-soldiers storming those forts. Ironsides were limited, because there are not so many white oak-trees on the planet. Iron ore is available. And the Union-engineers invented the turret. The HMS Captain was an idea, which failed, so she had done her job. But no one needs an historian to get this conclusion. Round ships were again an idea, which failed, but for inventions failures are programmed, only the US heroes land on the moon with trials of those modules. The Russians suffered a lot at Kinburn under the bombardement by the French swimming batteries Lave, Tonnante und Dévastation. About the Russian battleships at Tsushima is to mention, their crews were not trained, the shells were miserable, and they had too many slow ships in the line, so the Japanse could always cross the T. And the Russian admiral was sleeping when Togo ordered the koop of his line. Oslyabya seems to be a failed construction with a too high main emphasis, so the ship capsized easily. And the british pre-Dreadnought Mikasa was even not looking so good after Tsushima. The Japanese had a better admiral and better trained crews. In WWII the Brits were enforced to buy 53 US destroyers and they paid with their main military overseas bases on the planet, this is defeat of Britain by the US. What Preston is talking about the quality of US destroyers? In the age of warships Mr. Preston is talking about, engineers had no computer-models, they had to try and error. If Mr. Preston would have been responsable for warschip-building we would still row galleys.
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@CaptCondor Most maritime historians estimate von Spee's decision as the most worse one. Von Spee knew about the superiour speed of those battle-cruisers, even the German BCs were much faster than his armoured cruisers and it was 10 o' clock in the morning in good weather. It is a simple calculation, that even with a 2 hours delay instead of one, the Brits will outrun the German armoured cruisers. And in good tradition Craddock led the action out of the range of the German artillerie, something a big part of the worse german officers chorps never understood, a lack of tradition. Von Spee has had 2 better options, the first was to attack immediatly at close range, mainly with torpedos, the Brits could not dodge in the harbour, with the opportunity that German sailors could swim to the shore in case of sinking. The other option had been an escape through the Falkland Sund. This would have forced the Brits into close action, better chances than on open seas, as it happened, and during the night the Germans could have escaped indeed. The braveness of the German Crews was for nothing. Von Spee could be a famous seaman, if he would have attacked Port Stanley with the destruction or only damaging the battlecruisers. From the tactical point of view attacking the harbour would have given the best result. But von Spee panicked, and panic is never a good adviser.
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@JohnE9999 Of course, but i only answered to Drach's comments and concernings. All late battleships were much longer than their predecessors, to get more range, speed, ammunition-bunkers, necessary water-bunkers and supplies. In case of the Iowas the story is samesame, but different. Look at those vertical pictures of Iowas, the midship-section looks like cut, to reduce the beam to 33 meters, to be able to pass the Panama-Canal. Speed is one factor, a calm firing-platform for heavy artillery another.
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