Comments by "Moon Shoes" (@moonshoes11) on "Today I Found Out" channel.

  1.  @vs6300  That’s a compelling reason to believe Christians believed he existed. But look at how many people today are convinced the 2020 election was stolen. Doesn’t make it true. But a mundane human Jesus isn’t relevant to whether magic is real.
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  2.  @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356  Yes, the mundane, very human version. The magic/supernatural version is fiction. Lots of people have recorded various supernatural claims throughout history. And historians reject supernatural claims because they aren’t true. Real magic is fake. Fake magic is real. The same applies to God.
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  3.  @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356  Have you tried thinking?
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  4.  @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356  Many Roman emperors were declared gods by the Roman Senate. Right?
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  5.  @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356  And the romans recorded them.
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  6.  @kittycatwithinternetaccess2356  Yes. And there are people who were named Clark Kent. Unless they were bullet proof and could fly, I’m just not impressed.
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  7. Remember when Jesus drowned all those babies?
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  8.  @cillyhoney1892  The linen that was used to create the hoax shroud was made using technology from around 1200-1300, when the hoax appeared in history. The technology for how the linen was made was not available during the time of Jesus. This is a known hoax.
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  9.  @mayowankenobi  Circular reasoning is fallacious. It would matter if Jesus is who he says he is. It would matter if Vishnu was who she says she is. It would matter if Mohammed was who he says he is. It would matter if Odin is who he says he is. None of that means that any of them are who they say they are. Only fools reject science and believe any god exists when their is no empirical evidence to support such claims. Only fools are convinced by fallacious reasoning. Go back to the drawing board and figure out how to demonstrate that your imaginary friend is who he says he is. Also, go ahead and figure out why anyone should workshop a god that drowns babies, approves of slavery, and enjoys making people suffer. Explain why an immoral and unjust being is deserving of praise or worship.
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  10.  @frankserratos5022  Maybe you don’t know what that word means…?
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  11.  @frankserratos5022  Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more Phar·i·see noun a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity. a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.
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  12.  @frankserratos5022  You know that feeling you get when you’re right about something? It’s the same feeling you get when you’re wrong about something but don’t know it.
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  13.  @frankserratos5022  I find slavery to be immoral. It denies free will and causes harm. Where does your moral compass land regarding slavery?
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  14.  @yarlkymcfirblatherington9879  The sooner, the better. ✌️
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  15.  @KorithStoneheart  It’s not about choice. If you’re choosing beliefs, you’re probably wrong about a lot of things. A lot of what I know is based on reliable methods for measuring reality. It’s called science, and science happens to be our most reliable way to measure reality. If your method is to listen to what others told you, you’re probably wrong. I wouldn’t consider that a reliable method, unless the people,you rely can be shown to also be using reliable methods. I hope you’ve learned something here today.
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  16.  @Skiskiski  And Harry Potter really was a wizard?
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  17.  @Skiskiski  Gods that don’t exist can’t talk to anyone.
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  18.  @Sir_KnowsALot_  Actually, what you’d need to do is provide a way to show something exists in reality, and not just in the imagination. Do you have that? No, you’ve never consider it, I’d bet.
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  19.  @Sir_KnowsALot_  No, I am not. The supernatural could be real or could be imaginary. You’re twice now misrepresented my position, which is neither honest nor charitable. Nor have you made any attempt to address the question…which is a further demonstration of dishonesty.
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  20.  @Sir_KnowsALot_  I’d accept your well wishes to be sincere, if you were more honest when you engage.
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  21.  @Sir_KnowsALot_  Are you new here?
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  22.  @gregorytoews8316  I have no idea how to quantify how many people would be happy. Science doesn’t care how people feel about the evidence. I suppose it would depend on what that evidence was, and what it meant. Hypothetically, what if that meant ghosts were real, but gods were not? What if it meant unicorns were real, but leprechauns were not. However, if there was empirical evidence…we’d at least be able to start measuring and investigating.
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  23.  @gregorytoews8316  I’m not sure why you’re asking me such questions, since I don’t hold the positions you’re asking about. However, I do appreciate the non-combative conversation. 👍 I imagine the benefit is about community. I know that people do benefit from having community. Someone might be displease with a spouse but remain married for other benefits. 🤷‍♂️ Not even sure whether that is a good analogy.
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  24.  @Sir_KnowsALot_  This isn’t a big debate, but you’ve repeatedly misrepresented my position. Right?
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  25.  @karaalsup23  I,atone finding out the hard way, you chose the wrong God. See, you only imagine you see a God working right now, and you cannot demonstrate it in reality. Yes, all the “exposing” happens for natural reasons, just like everything else. Real magic is fake. Fake magic is real. Go ahead. Make predictions of what will happen. And explain why God allowed abuse in the church to happen for so long, and why it continues to happen within churches. Suggesting “you will find out one day” means you do t have evidence today, and that your claim is unfalsifiable….which means there is no reason to conclude your claims are true. Besides, worshipping an “all knowing, all powerful, all loving” God who can’t think of a better way to manage his anger than to drown everyone, including pregnant women and babies…seems problematic. Wouldn’t you agree?
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  26.  @MichaelLamming  That is pedantic and doesn’t change the fact that magic isn’t real,
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  27.  @Chicken_nuggets-yes  Do we have any of the original manuscripts? No. Do we know who the authors were? No. Are there any first hand claims made within the gospels claiming to have witnessed a resurrected Jesus? No. The most famous are the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. All but one of these are believed to have been written within 50–70 years of the death of Jesus, with the Gospel of Mark believed to be the earliest, and the last the Gospel of John. The oldest surviving record written by an early Christian is a short letter by St Paul: the First Epistle to the Thessalonians, which appeared about 25 years after the death of Jesus. And of course, Paul never met Jesus when he was alive. How long after his death do you think they were written?9
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  28.  @Alexanderisgreat  How could you ever demonstrate that to be the case, that he didn’t exist? And how could the existence of a mundane human be more important than the magic aspect?
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  29.  @artofwarlegions5262  That is an irrational position to hold. Either there is currently evidence or you have nothing to go on. So when you say one day we will meet him, you’re just making things up specifically because you don’t have evidence which is convincing. And faith is just self deception, because again, if you had evidence, you wouldn’t need faith.
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  30.  @artofwarlegions5262  The same would apply to people who claim to know any God, whether it is Yahweh, or Vishnu, or Allah, or Odin. I hope you understand this one day too. You imagine a God exists, but cannot demonstrate it does. If you were honest, you’d be able to admit this.
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  31.  @artofwarlegions5262  Well, there you have it. An honest answer. You believe so,etching you admit cannot be demonstrated to exist. And that is made up. That is an example of imaginary, or made up. The same applies for every variation of every god or God. I don’t argue with people who get the facts straight. I do enjoy honest conversation though. Do you like to argue about the existence things you know can’t demonstrate actually exist? Why?
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  32.  @artofwarlegions5262  Why I engage isn’t relevant as to whether claims for a God are true. Part of the reason I engage is based on such claims as “the morals of Christianity are good and graceful”. Which is perplexing, as the Bible alleges God made slavery (owning another person as property) permissible by his own laws. He also drowned babies, allegedly. An all knowing, all powerful, all loving God couldn’t think of a better way to manage his own anger over his own failures. My moral standard is superior to that, and I bet yours is too. Unless you’re going to try to defend owning people as property as moral, good and graceful. Another problem with your argument is shifting the burden of proof. When is your standard ever used, such as…you can’t prove Big Foot, unicorns, and leprechauns don’t exist…therefore it is reasonable to assume they do.
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  33.  @artofwarlegions5262  Are you aware the less religious and more secular societies are, the more moral they become? The data shows this to be true.
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  34.  @artofwarlegions5262  If you don’t want to engage, I understand. But absolutely there is a parallel between God and every other imaginary being, as they cannot be demonstrated to exist in reality.
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  35.  @artofwarlegions5262  I’ll do what I can to provide the data. Do you have data for your position?
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  36.  @artofwarlegions5262  The correlation between secularism and higher levels of happiness, as evident in countries like Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Israel, and New Zealand, is a complex interplay of several key factors. These nations consistently rank high on the United Nations' Happiness Index, and their secular nature plays a pivotal role in this phenomenon. Secular countries tend to prioritize individual liberties and freedom of thought, fostering a sense of autonomy and self-determination among their citizens. This emphasis on personal agency contributes to overall life satisfaction. On nearly every sociological measure of well-being, you’re most likely to find the more secular states with the lowest levels of faith in God and the lowest rates of church attendance faring the best and the most religious states with the highest levels of faith in God and rates of church attendance faring the worst.
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  37.  @artofwarlegions5262  See Pew Research Center, The Global God Divide for info and data.
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  38.  @Alexanderisgreat  How do you calculate the probability of a mundane human not existing? That happens quite regularly, even during that era. During those times, apocalyptic preachers were very common.
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  39.  @fbiagent6294  I’m sure you meant alleged prophets. 👍. They say beware of false prophets, yet all prophets are false prophets.
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  40.  @SukhdevSingh-ge5rj  Sure, but why? Real magic is fake. Fake magic is real.
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  41.  @robonthecob6920  You’re confusing the mundane human rabbi with the mythical, magical god being. Yes, a historical mundane human may very well have existed. But “Christ” is imaginary, fictional, mythical. There may be solid evidence for the mundane, there is no evidence for the supernatural. Are you aware, the gospels don’t even contain any first hand claims to witnessing a resurrected Jesus? The most you get is hearsay, anonymous sources, no original manuscripts, and writings decades after the alleged events. Anyone else notable from the time period is also rather mundane, because we know people existed. However, any supernatural claims associated with such notable people get dismissed since they’re not real.
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  42.  @robonthecob6920  That’s the point of the OP. Sure, a mundane rabbi may have existed, Now, prove magic is real.
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  43. @ How do you determine any probability based on something with zero evidence?
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  44. @ All prophets are false prophets. 🤷‍♂️
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  45. @ That isn’t what I believe. So, you start with a fat lie. Sorry that you have so little understanding of science. Nothing in science suggests something came from nothing. But you pretend to know what other people believe? Lol.
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  46. @ The consensus within science is the there was most likely a historical Jesus. However, this would not mean a supernatural Jesus. So it would depend on which Jesus you mean, right?
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  47. @ lol, there is no historical record of his disciples died for their beliefs. 🤷‍♂️ That is just make believe.
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  48. @ Uh…Gravity is a fundamental force of nature that attracts objects with mass towards each other. 🤷‍♂️ Curious….Would you argue about the effects of gravity on top of a twelve story building? Real magic is fake. Fake magic is real. The same applies to supernatural whatevers.
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  49. @ Yours is imaginary. Mine is what the consensus of science supports based on evidence. No offense meant.
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  50. @ I stand by the consensus of experts in the field. And you rely entirely on your imagination. 🤷‍♂️
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