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  1. Superman in five words: "Are you afraid of bullets?" "Only when they miss me".
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  2. There are several interpretations, but it seems the most agreed one is "hated by everyone" (His grandad, Autolycus named him that way, and that's fiting with Autolycus' character).
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  3. Artemis was also a goddess of dancing, while Apollo of playing and singing, so... Their parties were legendary.
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  4.  @lucaswinsor4469  Actually that's exclusively Ovid's version of the mith. He invented the whole rape and curse thing because he was writing a book called "metamorphosys", that was about shape-shifting miths (so he needed a shape-shifting, and, since the book is about changes, he didn't care about changing the miths themselves) and because he loved to depict autorities in a bad light, so, in his versions of the miths, gods always play with mortals without caring abouth them. In the original Greek mith, Medusa was simpy born a monster, one of the three gorgons (along with Stheno and Euryale), that were daughters of Echidna and Typhon. Ironically, all three had the same aspect and powers, but Medusa was the only one that was mortal.
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  5. In a version of the mith, Pirithous, not being able to decide what of Zeus' daughters would suit him best, asked the oracle of Delphi for advice. The Oracle mocked him answering "why not Persephone? She's the most noble of Zeus' daughters." (obviously meaning that he was aiming really too high, since the queen of the underworld, wife of Zeus' brother, was clearly out of the reach of every mortal), but Pirithous took that for serious!
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  6. Zeus: "Aephestus, I need you to create a dog to guard myself, and send him back in time to do it when I was a toddler". Aephestus: "And How you know I'll be able to do such thing?" Zeus: "because you did it".
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  7. That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith. According to Euripides, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead. It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Artemis and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her, and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution. There are other versions as well. Aeschylus' turned it into an advertising for Athen's legal system. Even if the goal was not much to declare the inferiority of the mother over the father (mind that half of the jury did not agree, even with Apollo as the defense attorney), but that, as the Romans would have said "in dubio pro reo", when the votes of the judges are evenly divided, mercy must prevail.
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  8.  @sflaningam7680  Autolycus was the most known thief in Greek miths, a shapeshifter and an outcast (starting from the name "a wolf himself") that, when he was not on an adventure, lived isolated, hunting on mount Parnassus.
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  9. It has been noticed how the Dante main character of the Comedy, is very different from the historical Dante poet. He is weak, timorous (Dante was a war veteran) and not very bright (not understanding the meaning of much of the things that the Dante poet wrote). More than a self-insert, Dante gave his name to a proper character that was fit for the poem.
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  10. Ares was an honored god in Sparta, but not a really important one. Artemis and Phoebus were the favourite Spartan gods. Notice that Artemis and Phoebus were the gods of hunting and arts, that were the favourite activities of the Spartans (rich loafers) until the "spartan superwarriors" propaganda work started, after the Thermopilae. The "shaming of Ares" started much before the quarrels between Sparta and Athens. Already in the Iliad (that was written when both Athens and Sparta were cities of secondary importance).
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  11. She did it because the Habsburgs had serious intentions to transfer all to Vienna. She didn't infact manage to save the family's jewels. The Habsburgs appropriated them with the pretext they were not art.
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  12. Well, they did with Capaneus, one of the seven agains Thebes. Once he raised at the top of the walls of Thebes he shouted that Zeus himself could not stop him from invading it. At that point Zeus struck and killed Capaneus with a thunderbolt.
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  13. The almost casual talk between Poseidon and Apollo in the Iliad itself is hilarious. Poseidon: "All the others are fighting. What'll they think if we don't do the same?" Apollo: "Over mere mortals? Nahh... They are so, you know, 'mortal'. It's not worth the pain." However, in the book, is AFTER Apollo declined to fight that Artemis mocked him for that, and Hera proceeded to beat the crap out of her.
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  14. Actually the depiction he gives of the rhino is very accurate, and it's easy to recognise a Sumatran Rhinoceros in it. (hairs like a buffalo, feet like an elephant, a big and black horn, the head of a boar that it keeps pointed to the ground, he loves to stay in the mud)
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  15.  @lordhades8025  In the same fight scene (Iliad, book 21) Athena mops the floor with Ares and then proceeds to mock him. It's business as usual.
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  16. In a version of the mith, Pirithous, not being able to decide what of Zeus' daughters would suit him best, asked the oracle of Delphi for advice. The Oracle mocked him answering "why not Persephone? She's the most noble of Zeus' daughters." (meaning that he was aiming really too high, since the queen of the underworld, wife of Zeus' brother, was clearly out of the reach of every mortal), but Pirithous took that for serious!
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  17. Hermes: "Ok, so you do the flirting, I do the stealing". Artemis: "What? You know I'm not into such things." Hermes "So who'll do the flirting? Me?" Artemis: "Why not? The god of deception and crafts. I'm sure you'll make a more credible flirty girl than me." Hermes: "So you are into sneaking into someone's basement and stealing?" Artemis "... Oh, crap. Let's do that quickly."
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  18.  @ewwpoorpeople5684  Fan-fictions on what? There was not a canon. The description he made of the afterlife is his own creation, and, as noted by many scholars, the "Dante" main character of the Commedia was very different from the real Dante poet. The character was timorous (the poet was a war veteran) and not very bright (he doesn't understand the meaning much of the things that the poet wrote). The poet simply gave his name to a character that was fit for the poem to make his tale seem more "real" for the reader than just telling the story of a random guy.
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  19. In versions of the mith, Persephone was totally ok with that, they had to organise the thing because Demeter was iperprotective, and didn't allow Hades to court Persephone the normal way (in her defence, she had bad experiences with both of his brothers). Despite that, and being totally faithful and lowey-dowey with his wife, Hades accepted her to spend six month a year in the world, otherwise Demeter (that had been raped by both Zeus and Poseidon without any cerempony) would have missed her too much, so he even tried to make up with his mother-in-law.
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  20.  @jessefanshaw8948  Also the classical Greek Apollo was probably the sincretization of several gods. An Anatolian god of plague, that was also invoked to end them (Aplu. Also Apollos' Mother, Leto has Anatolian origins), a Minoan sea-god of divination (the dolphin is a typical Minoan depiction, and Cretan priests are said to have built the sanctuary of Delphi), a Dorian family/community god (Apellai, Apellaion), and probably several others. What came out of it anyway is the god of civilization. Of what makes life worth living, beyond pure survival. The arts, medicine, divination (that, by then, was a way to control the arbitrariness of nature). That's why classical Greeks considered him the most "Greek" of all the gods. Because he was not the god of a force of nature, of a state of mind, or of a particular craft, but of civilization itself. His sister (and it had been a good call to make them siblings) is instead the goddess of anti-civilization. Of hunting, of wild animals, of wild places... The fight between Hera and Artemis is not that much a "Worf effect". Artemis can't refuse fighting, it's her nature, but Hera's words are true. "Your father made you a lioness among mortals", but Artemis' powers are shallow if used against an immortal, that doesn't fear beasts or illness. While Apollo wisely declined to fight Poseidon, as the god of sea and earthquakes would have mopped the floor with the one of civilization.
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  21. Mama-boy Apollo invented misoginy to get his friend off a murder charge, and Athena was ok with that. A memento that the legal system was a joke and a travesty of justice from the start.
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  22. Yeah. Differently than other divine siblings, Artemis and Apollo seems to always be in good terms.
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  23. Considering that a mortal wanted to kidnap Persephones, that's practically a guarantee of gaining eternal torments in hell...
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  24. I really HATE how every Hollywood movie about Greek gods has Hades as the villain. Mith Hades is really the best of the bunch there. He's strictly faithful to his wife (that can persuade him to do everything she wants), he's cool-minded and, despite bing all lovey-dovey with Persephone, he accepts her to spend six-months a year in in the world, because otherwise her mother, Demeter (THAT HAD BEEN RAPED BY BOTH ZEUS AND POSEIDON WITHOUT ANY CEREMONY) would miss her too much! He even tries to be a nice guy to her mother-in-law!
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  25. Ares was an honored god in Sparta, but not a really important one. Artemis and Phoebus were the favourite Spartan gods. Notice that Artemis and Phoebus were the gods of hunting and arts, that were the favourite activities of the Spartans (rich loafers) until the "spartan superwarriors" propaganda work started, after the Thermopilae. The "shaming of Ares" started much before the quarrels between Sparta and Athens. Already in the Iliad (that was written when both Athens and Sparta were cities of secondary importance).
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  26.  @biliminsrlar5752  Mohammed is in hell because, for Dante, before inventing Islam he was Christian TOO (it was a legend diffused in middle age), and so his place is between the schismatics. Saladin and Averroes are among the not baptised virtuous.
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  27. Thus being born as a sincretization of several gods. An Anatolian god of plague, that was also invoked to end them (Aplu. Also Apollos' Mother, Leto has Anatolian origins), a Minoan sea-god of divination (the dolphin is a typical Minoan depiction, and Cretan priests are said to have built the sanctuary of Delphi), a Dorian family/community god (Apellai, Apellaion), and probably several others, Apollo is the god of civilization. Of what makes life worth living, beyond pure survival. The arts, medicine, divination (that, by then, was a way to control the arbitrariness of nature). That's why classical Greeks considered him the most "Greek" of all the gods. Because he was not the god of a force of nature, of a state of mind, or of a particular craft, but of civilization itself. His sister (and it had been a good call to make them siblings) is instead the goddess of anti-civilization. Of hunting, of wild animals, of wild places... and so of the arbitrariness of Nature itself. The fight between Hera and Artemis is not that much a "Worf effect". Artemis can't refuse fighting, it's her nature, but Hera's words are true. "Your father made you a lioness among mortals", but Artemis' powers are shallow if used against an immortal, that doesn't fear beasts or illness. While Apollo wisely declined to fight Poseidon, as the god of sea and earthquakes would have mopped the floor with the one of civilization.
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  28. Canto IV >"il maestro di color che sanno" ("the master of the ones that know") Aristotle, Greek. >"Omero, poeta sovrano" ("Omer, sovereign of the poets"), Greek. Dante used the characters of the Omeric poems in the Inferno not because he despised Greeks, but because, other than the contemporary characters, for contrast, he needed characters that were not contemporary but still well known by the people, and that, in Dante's time, meant saints and characters of Greek mitology. But he couldn't put saints in hell, so he had to overuse Greeks. BTW, the oldest surviving complete translation of both the Iliad and the Odissey in latin is that of the Calabrian scholar Leontius Pilatus, whose works were known both by Petrarch and Boccaccio.Dante missed him by half a century more or less.
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  29. Infact. Thus being born as a sincretization of several gods. An Anatolian god of plague, that was also invoked to end them (Aplu. Also Apollos' Mother, Leto has Anatolian origins), a Minoan sea-god of divination (the dolphin is a typical Minoan depiction, and Cretan priests are said to have built the sanctuary of Delphi), a Dorian family/community god (Apellai, Apellaion), and probably several others, Apollo is the god of civilization. Of what makes life worth living, beyond pure survival. The arts, medicine, divination (that, by then, was a way to control the arbitrariness of nature). That's why classical Greeks considered him the most "Greek" of all the gods. Because he was not the god of a force of nature, of a state of mind, or of a particular craft, but of civilization itself. His sister (and it had been a good call to make them siblings) is instead the goddess of anti-civilization. Of hunting, of wild animals, of wild places... and so of the arbitrariness of Nature itself. The fight between Hera and Artemis is not that much a "Worf effect". Artemis can't refuse fighting, it's her nature, but Hera's words are true. "Your father made you a lioness among mortals", but Artemis' powers are shallow if used against an immortal, that doesn't fear beasts or illness. While Apollo wisely declined to fight Poseidon, as the god of sea and earthquakes would have mopped the floor with the one of civilization.
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  30.  @corndogthemagnificent2212  Actually to hit Aphrodite had been his only real mistake (even if he had been advised to do so by his protectress Athena) since, contrary to Ares, that couldn't hold a grudge for five minutes, and appreciated a guy that could give him a good fight, Aphrodite was pretty vindicative and made so that he was betrayed by his wife, Aegialia, and forced to leave Argos.
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  31.  @FreaknFreddy  Visiting a world none has described before? Not a fan-fiction. It exists an entire genere of SF qualified by having Edison as a character while having historical figures as characters is normal (almost essential) for historical romances.
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  32.  Mullerornis  "better" for who? For who wants to feel "holier than thou" by judging 14th century people by modern standards?
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  33.  Mullerornis  You can judge whoever you want if that exercise makes you feel better, but to judge a 14th century man's believings with modern days standard it's pointless for any other purpose. And Dante didn't influence the notion of what's sin and what's not. It's not simply him that decided.
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  34. Maybe the Venetians wanted to remind to the Byzantines that not being massacrated was part of the deal ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins )
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  35. A Mary Sue is a central character that isn't challenged by the plot. It doesn't count how powerful he is, or if he is the centre of the universe. A charcter can legitimately be the centre of the universe (IE think of Harui Suzumiya) without being a Mary Sue. That's why Goku (and I'm not really a Dragon Ball fan) isn't a Mary Sue (if anything Dragon Ball's problem is repetitiveness). In his case, the plot is specifically made to challenge him. It doesn't count how powerful he is. There are always characters that are as, or more, powerful. It doesn't count if he gets power-ups. Power ups are legit in his universe (that's specifically stated) and many characters get them. It doesnt' count if he generally wins. Not only that's true for many heroes (plot armour doesn't make Mary Sues), but, contrary to many of them, we know that he can loose (it happened several times) or even die (it happened several times). And that's why Rey IS a Mary Sue instead. SHE'S NOT CHALLENGED BY THE PLOT. It doesn't count if she's a girl. She gets out of troubles simply by showing to possess abilities that she shouldn't logically have without any explanation (is like Goku suddenly becoming smarter than Bulma in building mechanisms). Or getting gratuitous power-ups that simply decided to happen at the right time without the need for any training. She doesn't need to train, she doesnt need to do anything. The universe seems to conspire to make her look awesome without any real effort.
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  36.  @discountplaguedoctor88  Actually, for being a 13th century Christian, Dante was VERY open-minded. IE he put both Averroes and Saladin (a muslim scholar and a muslim general, Dante does nothing by chance, he wanted to depict them) among the not-baptized virtuous. Averroes with the likes of Socrat and Aristotle, Saladin, the man that took away Gerusalem from the Christianity, with the likes of Caesar. That he didn't like Greeks is just bullshit, he described Homer as the "sovereign poet" and Aristotle as "the master of the ones that know". He used Greek mithological figures in the Inferno because he needed characters that were well known by his public.
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  37. A Mary Sue is a central character that isn't challenged by the plot. It doesn't count how powerful he is, or if he is the centre of the universe. A charcter can legitimately be the centre of the universe (IE think of Harui Suzumiya) without being a Mary Sue. In case of a Mary Sue the writing simply seems to be made to make him look awesome without any real effort.
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  38. Ares was an honored god in Sparta, but not a really important one. Artemis and Phoebus were the favourite Spartan gods. Notice that Artemis and Phoebus were the gods of hunting and arts, that were the favourite activities of the Spartans (rich loafers) until the "spartan superwarriors" propaganda work started, after the Thermopilae. The "shaming of Ares" started much before the quarrels between Sparta and Athens. Already in the Iliad (that was written when both Athens and Sparta were cities of secondary importance).
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  39. Apollo, still in Leto's arms, since he's too young to walk: "That's the snake that disrespected you? I'm going to kill him" Leto: "Wait! It was not that big of..." Apollo: "Too late. He's gone."
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  40.  @CJCroen1393  Or: Hades: Yo, Zeus. Zeus: Yo! Hades: You know your daughter Persephone? Zeus: Yeah, what about her? Hades: Well, I think I might be in love with her. Zeus: That's great! It was time for you to find someone, and Persephone is such a pretty girl. Had she not been my daughter... uhhh... well, that's another story. Hades: But her mother, Demeter, seems to not been OK with that. She doesn't even let her see me. Zeus: Oh, yeah. She didn't take very well what I did to her... and Poseidon for that matter... I guess she extended her grudge to the third brother as well. People are so resentful sometimes... Hades: So, what could I do about that? Zeus: What? Transform yourself into something and bang the girl, for myself! Hades: ... Hades: Ok, I'll go somewere else for advices. Thanks bro.
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  41. Seriously? The Ottomans started to be a issue for Venice 200 years after the sack of Constantinople (and initially they were a minor one, see the Battle of Gallipoli, that the Venetians won easily in 1416). Venice was holding parts of the gains of the 4th Crusade still 500 years after the sack. To have eliminated one of the intermediaries (so to have better prices and higher profits), annexed a good part of his wealth, and being still profiting of the operation after HALF A MILLENNIUM seems AN HELL of a deal. What financial plan predicts positive outcomings for five centuries?
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  42.  @Vulken2000  The monsters of greek mithology are there EXACTLY because they didn't exist in reality. Dante knew that they didn't exist for real, but they had been believed by so many people for so long that God found a place for them, using their aspect for demons. Ulysses instead is there as a damned because he, for Dante, was real exactly like Caesar or Cleopatra. It's not "a different interpretation of the character" but the future of an historical character.
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  43.  @Vulken2000  "Monsters?" Yeah, monsters. Creatures half human half horse for example, or with snakes as hair. Dante didn't believe them being real. "You lost me." For Dante, what's created by the men's fantasy, even if not real in our world (since only what's created by God can be real) it's not lost. Mithology is an act of creation anyway. How many modern fiction had been created on the assumption that gods are real until someone believes in them? Dante was a precursor. "I really don't think you can believe both The Bible and The Iliad/Odyssey at the same time." Schliemann believed in the war of Troy and that the Iliad was a quite accurate report of it, but not that actual gods and demigods participated in it. Dante, five centuries before, believed in the historicity of the character of Ulysses, but not that real Gods or magic were involved in his adventures.
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  44. The canon character on which it had been used the most first than Rey was probalby Wesley Crusher (so much for it being a sexist trope).
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  45. That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith. According to Euripides, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead. It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Artemis and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her, and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution. There are other versions as well. Aeschylus' turned it into an advertising for Athen's legal system. Even if the goal was not much to declare the inferiority of the mother over the father (mind that half of the jury did not agree, even with Apollo as the defense attorney), but that, as the Romans would have said "in dubio pro reo", when the votes of the judges are evenly divided, mercy must prevail.
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  46.  @biliminsrlar5752  As said it was a legend. According to it, Mohammed was not only christian, but a priest. Notice that Dante puts Alì is in the same circle, because he was a schismatic too, but to Islam while, as said, Saladin is among the Virtuous, because he was surely an enemy of christianity but, as a Muslim, he was virtuous.
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  47. They did only in modern interpretations, that unify the characters of Morgan and Morgause (Only the latter is Arthur's half-sister, but they didn't have a kid together). What happened in practice is that the 1981 movie "Excalibur" (where, Morgan and Morgause are already the same character, and Mordred is already a pawn of his mother) became the "canon" and almost everyone started changing elements from there.
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  48. Zeus: "Athena! My clever girl! Came sit near me". "Phoebus! My talented boy! Came here!" "Ares! Did I already said you how much you disappointed me?"
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  49. That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith. According to Euripides, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead. It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Artemis and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her, and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution. There are other versions as well. Aeschylus' turned it into an advertising for Athen's legal system. Even if the goal was not much to declare the inferiority of the mother over the father (mind that half of the jury did not agree, even with Apollo as the defense attorney), but that, as the Romans would have said "in dubio pro reo", when the votes of the judges are evenly divided, mercy must prevail.
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  50. Well, "kidnapping" at that time often meant "the lovers wanted to stay togheter, but at least one of the girl's parents was not ok with that".
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