Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Overly Sarcastic Productions"
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@dreamerthief2216 It's significative that Dante previously put both Averroes and Saladin (a muslim scholar and a muslim general, Dante does nothing by chance, he wanted to depict them there) among the not-baptized virtuous. Averroes with the likes of Socrat and Aristotle, Saladin, the man that took away Gerusalem from the Christianity, with the likes of Caesar. Because for Saladin, to fight Christians was his work, and he did it in an honorable way.
Mohammed instead is among the schismatics for having divided Christianity, and Ali, at that point, for having divided Islam. The point was not Christian or Islamic religion, but to have caused discord.
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@UCDVcxMDIug9M5_YY98jp3qA Charon is not a man, is the son of Erebus and the Night, while Minos is a demigod, son of Zeus, and both Virgil and Claudian stated that Minos was a judge of the underworld, so he was related to hell already in classical miths.
Dante needed to put in the afterlife both well known contemporary people than well known people of the past. "well known people of the past" in medieval Europe meant Saints and characters of the Greco-Roman mithology, he couldn't put saints in hell, so...
What other references should he have used? Those to modern-day archaeology?
Jason is a man, so no reason to not include him between the men. The Sisters of Fate were cited as poetical symbols (of the given lenght of life), but never put anywere. Adonis' mother, Myrrha is a woman, that tricked her own father into sleeping with her, and got pregnant that way. She is in the tenth bolgia because her most serious sin was not incest, but deceit. Dante used them because their stories were well known, so it was not hard for the people to link the character with his sin. Cerberus is a monster, Pluto a God, so, not being real, they are not damned, but demons.
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Actually that's exclusively Ovid's version of the mith. He invented the whole rape and curse thing because he was writing a book called "metamorphosys", that was about shape-shifting miths (so he needed a shape-shifting, and, since the book is about changes, he didn't care about changing the miths themselves) and because he loved to depict autorities in a bad light, so, in his versions of the miths, gods always play with mortals without caring abouth them.
In the original Greek mith, Medusa was simpy born a monster, one of the three gorgons (along with Stheno and Euryale), that were daughters of Echidna and Typhon. Ironically, all three had the same aspect and powers, but Medusa was the only one that was mortal.
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@androkguz I watched it, but, believe it or not, Red didn't provide the first definition of the Mary Sue trope, and I'm not bound to agree with her. It had been described and defined thousands of times, and the best definition of a Mary Sue is, "a central character that's not challenged by the plot".
Because he's so superior to the story he's in, that the plot can give him only minor nuisances, not real challenges.
That's why Rey is a Mary Sue, and Goku is not.
Resting on Star Wars, Red doesn't know the source material very well also. It has been estabilished IN MOVIE that "wonderboy pilot" Luke had experience in piloting starfighters (T-16) BEFORE joining the rebellion. It's not like he became a pilot out of nothing, like Rey became an engineer, a gunner, a swordfighter and a jedi out of nothing.
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That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith. According to Euripides, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead.
It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Artemis and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her (not really girl-hating, is it?), and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution.
There are other versions as well.
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@tylerellis9097 1) Oh, yeah, it was only a small massacre, How could the Byzantines think that the Venetians could care of it?
2) So Genoese were fair game?
3) Had they massacrated Byzantines? (and, with the benefit of hindsight, why not, if they had been able able to vanquish the Empire in the end?)
4) So, when you are not satisfied of some State's assistance, the normal thing to do is massacrating the citizens you can find?
The massacre of the latins simply demonstrated to the Venetians that the Byzantine Empire was an unstable and unpredictable commercial partner, and that, if they wanted to carry on their business without being at the mercy of some mad emperor, they had to do it through THEIR ports and THEIR fortresses, not asking for permission. In the end, it had been the right move, so yes, the massacre, for the byzantines, backfired a little.
The way Byzantines could die to Turks is by dying to Turks. They already lost Anatolia before (stable? Please...), and there were no more Crusaders Kingdoms to take the brunt of the muslims' expansion efforts.
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Italian had been popularized in literature by BOCCACCIO, more than by anyone else (surely much more than by Machiavelli). His Decameron had been a massive success. Written a century before printing, it was copied not only by professionals, but by normal people that wanted to have their own copy, all over Italy (that Italy didn't have a meaningful use for a standard national language until the late 1800s is simply wrong. Anyone who traveled, IE merchants, needed, and used, a standard language. "literary" Italian, the language of Boccaccio, was not something only literates used in their writings).
It's commonly said Dante is the father of Italian language, but in reality is the grandfather. Boccaccio is the real father. Being, among the "tree crowns" (Dante, Petrarch and Boccaccio) the one that wrote in prose, it had been Boccaccio that gave to the Italian vocabulary and grammatical rules, and the success of the Decameron cemented it so much that every modern Italian can still read and understand every sentence of it (not so much the Divina Commedia, that requires more than a bit of attention to be understood by a modern Italian).
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That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith.
Aeschylus' goal was not to declare the inferiority of the mother over the father (mind that half of the jury did not agree, even with Apollo as the defense attorney), but to promote Athen's legal sistem where, as the Romans would have said "in dubio pro reo", when the votes of the judges are evenly divided, mercy must prevail. When the votes of the judges are equally divided, Athena ALWAYS votes for the defendant.
BTW According to Euripides' version, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead.
It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Artemis and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her, and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution.
There are other versions as well.
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That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith. According to Euripides, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead.
It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Athena and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her, and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution.
There are other versions as well.
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