Comments by "" (@Josh93B93) on "DW News"
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@nhatvu8800 But the west was happy to support the civilians of Donbas getting bombed, killed, raped, looted and only instigated further bloodshed. For 7 years. Not forcing to end support to Ukraine unless Zelensky lifted the ban on opposition parties, ended military offensives in the donbas, removed the dam blocking fresh water to Crimea (a violation of article 33 of the Geneva convention, see collective punishment) and ultimately adhering to the peace agreement signed between Ukraine, the DNR, LNR, Russia, France, and Germany, that was evil, but it generated billions in profits for General Dynamics and Raytheon, paid for with US tax dollars and Ukrainian blood. This is a war between two capitalist giants that are using Ukraine and the Donbas republics as proxies, western arms manufactures are profiting hand over fist from the arms transfers to Ukraine. As is Rostek and Izhvesk via its defence contracts with Russia. Putin is no saint, nor is Zelensky, or Biden, they are cut from the same cloth, and are weaponizing the proletariat against each other to serve their own ends, the civilian populaces of Ukraine, Russia, and the west, have nothing to gain from this conflict, point your finger at who is profiting from the bloodshed
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After reading the first 20 odd comments in this thread I've come to realize the west lives in Orwell's 1984, any questioning of the narrative or dissenting view can only come from "bots" or "orks" or which ever derogatory and dehumanizing term is popular, that independent though and analysis not accepted, that information must come purely from the interested party, regardless of how factual it might be, I'm no fan of Putin but christ almighty this thread is sickening to read while half of you shun the supposed values you espouse. This war is about profit, on both sides of the battle line, regardless of if the industry making the profit is General Dynamics or Uralvagonzavod, money machine still goes brrrrp with every new contract. The regime in Kiev is no more free or democratic than the regime in Kiev in 2013, new oligarchs with new patrons sure, the corruption is very much the same, I'm sure it wont even take a day for one of you clowns to call me out as an ork or botski or wtf ever you all come up with to dehumanize me, go ahead, my point still stands, your just reinforcing it.
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@nsevv and those unarmed civilians the ukrainians barricaded into a the trade union building and burned alive in Odessa? It was on film, they murdered innocent men and women, they shot civilians as they tried to jump from the windows of the building, they werent separatist or terrorist, they were members of the Borotba party and journalist, and bystanders fleeing the neonazi football hooligans and the pro-coup police supporting them, they had the legal right to protest, and they were murdered for it, I'm not painting russia as the good guys, but dont pretend the the regime in Kiev is made up of saints that can do no wrong, dont hide their crimes just to justify a false narrative, they intentionally murdered civilians and never saw justice for doing so, these actions spurred the separatist movement much more than russia ever could, with that being said, there were thousands of dual citizens living in eastern Ukraine who were at risk of suffering the same fate as those in the Odessa massacre, russia had every bit as much of an obligation to protect its citizens as the americans had to protect its citizen in Grenada, and when it invaded panama to defend its interest in the region, and do remember, context is not justification, it just gives understanding to the reasoning and motives for the conflict, what russia did is by no means without precedent.
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@seidenstickerj It wasnt a western financed coup? Okay, so when Victoria Nuland gives $5 billion to far right extremist groups in your nation to oust the elected government, that hold new elections while alienating a third of the nation's population. This is a coup, it did stick, clearly. If you want to be blind to it, that's on you, not me. I already saw my friends in Odessa burned alive because they didnt support the coup, I lost friends at Debaltslavo because they refused to be subjugated by a series of puppet regimes, and after the massacres committed against protests of the coup in 2014, FULL FUGGIN AUTONOMY FOR DONBAS, nothing less would be acceptable.
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