Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "PragerU"
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@regisglass5464: "it seems we agree both believed Aryans were superior to everyone else. Thus, what was the difference between Hitler and Mussolini's views in stating Aryans were superior to everyone else?"
Mussolini didn't believe in arya nism nor any kind of biological ra ce supremacy, at least according to his own words.
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@regisglass5464: "Likewise, as you claim ri ght wing views are about the individual, then what conservative entities have ever defended the individual rig hts of LGB TQ people as opposed to using the state to att ack them? For example, Flo rida wishes to institute genital checks because of their fear of tr ans people. "
Amu rican poli tics and Conse rvatism has nothing to do with this subject, especially the am urica n version. Again, conserva tism is relative. Is it too hard for you am urica ns to understand? Again, conservatism has nothing to do with this subject. Mussolini didn't consider his movement to be conservative. On the contrary, he claimed that the Italian Socia list Party was conservative.
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@regisglass5464: "But thank you for accepting the doctrine of fascis m states: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fa scist century"."
You still haven't learned to quote the whole paragraph. The fas cists wanted to move to the right from marx ism, not into the right side of the spectrum. Mussolini continues: "If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State."
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@regisglass5464: "Thus, why do you believe the father of fas cism was mistaken about where his ideology lay?"
You are not making any sense. Both Giovanni Gentile and Mussolini explicitly state that fasc ism was a soci alist ideology based on national syndicalism.
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@AtariTheAnimator "The Na zis placed great emphasis on private property and free competition. "
No, they really didn't. On the contrary, they abolished private property rights. Article 153 of the Weimar Constitution guaranteed private property, with expropriation only to occur within the due process of the law, but this article was nullified by the Reichstag fire decree on Feb. 28, 1933. Also in Hitler's table talks on September 3, 1942, he said that land was “national property, and in the end only given to the individual as a loan.” Hi tler only recognized private property insofar as it was used according to the principle “common benefit ahead of private benefit,” which meant that if it was necessary in the common interest, the state had the right at all times to decide the way, the extent to which, and when private property was used, and the common interest was, of course, defined by the state.
Regarding competition, there really wasn't any since industry was nationalized, and later they reorganized all industries into corporations run by members of the Na zi Party.
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@Demaa18 "Also, "la Dottrina del Fascismo" was published in 1932, that's no "early fascism" ... do you care to explain how did precisley Gentile invented fascism, and NOT Mussolini, which literally created the first fascist political party/movement?"
Well actually it was written in 1927, by Giovanni. While he wasn't the only Fascist theoretician, he certainly was the one who worked closely with Mussolini and put the Hegelian philosophy into it. He gave a nod to Marinetti, when he proposed a more defined version of Fascism during 1925, stating:
"Great spiritual movements make recourse to precision when their primitive inspirations—what F. T. Marinetti identified this morning as artistic, that is to say, the creative and truly innovative ideas, from which the movement derived its first and most potent impulse—have lost their force. We today find ourselves at the very beginning of a new life and we experience with joy this obscure need that fills our hearts—this need that is our inspiration, the genius that governs us and carries us with it."
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@regisglass5464: "Odd, why is it irrelevant to fascism that conservatives attempted to remove your individual rights? "
There is no correlation between fascism and conservatism. Your question makes no sense.
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@regisglass5464 " Then kindly provide the full paragraph."
Here you go:
"A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century. If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State. It is quite logical for a new doctrine to make use of the still vital elements of other doctrines. "
Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State.
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@KenH60109 "Gentile and Mussolini both poured over the fact that fascism was right-wing, "
Neither Gentile nor Mussolini has ever said such a thing. Gentile also makes it very clear that Fascism was born out of socialism, which is not a Right wing thing. If anything, both of them claimed Fascism to be part of the "3rd position" movement as they rejected both Capitalism and the Marxist interpenetration of socialism.
"The Fascist, on the other hand, conceives philosophy as a philosophy of practice (”praxis”). That concept was the product of certain Marxist and Sorellian inspirations (many Fascists and the Duce, himself, received their first intellectual education in the school of Marx and Sorel)—as well as the influence of contemporary Italian idealistic doctrines from which Fascist mentality drew substance and achieved maturity."
“It is necessary to distinguish between socialism and socialism—in fact, between idea and idea of the same socialist conception, in order to distinguish among them those that are inimical to Fascism. It is well known that Sorellian syndicalism, out of which the thought and the political method of Fascism emerged—conceived itself the genuine interpretation of Marxist communism. The dynamic conception of history, in which force as violence functions as an essential, is of unquestioned Marxist origin. Those notions flowed into other currents of contemporary thought, that have themselves, via alternative routes, arrived at a vindication of the form of State—implacable, but absolutely rational—that finds historic necessity in the very spiritual dynamism through which it realizes itself.”
— Giovanni Gentile, Che cosa è il fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche (“What is Fascism?”), Florence: Vallecchi, (1925) / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism, A. James Gregor, translator and editor, Transaction Publishers, 2003
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@KenH60109 "There's absolutely no debate here, fascism is inherently right wing, "
Wrong. Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. It was objectively, a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism/democracy, and marxism. The means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism.
Fascism was an outgrowth of Sorellian Syndicalism, which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
As created by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, Fascism comes from a belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its dictatorship cannot achieve Socialism, and that only the State can properly organize a Socialist Society. It cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State.
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