Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "PragerU" channel.

  1.  @KenH60109  "The greatest failure of your argument here is that you independently, and rather unjustifiably, assert that due to it's collectivist and statist nature, it is somehow a form of socialism, and therefore leftist inherently, " Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production. Fascism had the latter.
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  2.  @KenH60109  "The centralized syndicate "unions" were frequently overruled by the capitalist class, " Wrong. They were not. On the contrary, the industrialists (so called "capitalist class") were afraid of Edmondo Rossoni, Alfredo Rocco and other Fascists syndicalists who overruled them, to a point where Mussolini had to scold them for being too harsh.
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  3.  @KenH60109  "private property actually EXPANDED" Wrong. Was never a thing. It was nationalization and the public sector in general which expanded under Mussolini, during the whole 1930s.
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  4.  @KenH60109  "(the Nazis literally coined the term "privatization" to begin with, " Wrong. They didn't. It was a random journalist in "the Economist" magazine who coined that term and it had nothing to do with Nazi Germany and their economy whatsoever. On the contrary, the Nazis coined the term "Gleichschaltung", a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of German society from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education.
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  5.  @KenH60109  "and frequently cited their impressed attitudes of American private economy" Wrong. Hitler specifically was impressed by the Soviet central planning and how Stalin ran the USSR. How important Hitler considered the question of state-controlled planning of the economy to be can be seen from the fact that in August 1936 he personally wrote a ‘Memorandum on the Four-Year Plan 1936’. Hitler was convinced of the superiority of the Soviet planned economy system, which is why he so vehemently demanded and enforced the extension of state control of the economy in Germany as well.
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  6.  @KenH60109  "workers strikes were immediately vaporized by the fascist parties, " Both Hitler and Mussolini were simply imitating Lenin, who had earlier closed down all independent labor associations, factory committees and worker cooperatives, banned strikes, walkouts, and lockouts. Lenin even forced workers to work a slavish 80-hour week. After the Bolsheviks banned all labor unions, one unionist “described the unions as ‘living corpses.’” Any Russian worker who participated in general strikes was arrested, imprisoned or shot. Under Lenin’s regime, workers had no real representation or bargaining rights and were treated like industrial serfs who were chained to their factories. Although Hitler and Mussolini followed Lenin’s nationalizing craze, their treatment of workers did not mimic their Russian counterparts.
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  7.  @TylerJames88  "while at the same time claiming individualism limited government and laissez faire economic are right wing when that literally all comes from the traditional and historical left" While this was true, we are not living in the 18th century France and that is not how our modern day political spectrum works, where socialism is assigned to the Left side instead. In our modern day political spectrum, the Left is anti-capitalist, while the Right is pro-capitalist. Nowadays it is the people on the Right, who believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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  8. "Fascism is a FAR-RIGHT populist political philosophy, movement, or authoritarian regime, a nationalist political ideology, characterized by severe social regimentation and by forcible suppression of the opposition by a dictatorial leader. " Wrong. Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  9. @Worldmisery : Both Communism and Fascism use socialism as the basis for their economy. Both are socialist ideologies. Social-Democracy is based on a Mixed economy system.
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  10. Nope.
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  11. @Worldmisery "Conservatism believes that a ruler should be feared rather than loved," Wrong. It has nothing to do with such a thing. Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values. What those institutions, customs, and values are, changes country-by-country basis.
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  12. @Worldmisery "that nations should colonize and exploit other nations," That is called nationalism or just simply, colonialism.
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  13. @jay foster: You just have no clue what you are talking about. Fascism had nothing to do with capitalism nor ethnonationalism whatsoever. Fascism literally employed trade unionism, welfare state and were anti-business. It was a totalitarian socialist ideology after all. Fascism claimed to oppose liberal capitalism, but also international socialism, hence the concept of a “third way,” their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and socialist principles, openly opposing capitalism and the free market, favoring nationalism and autarchy.
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  14.  z1  "Fasci sts weren't socia lists , either , " Wrong. They were textbook example of socialists. After all, fasci sm was an outgrowth of Sor ellian Synd icalism, which itself was an outgrowth from Ma rxist socia lism.
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  15.  z1  "fasc ism was actually a reaction against socia lism/com munism" It was a reaction against ma rxism / commu nism / bolsh evism. Not soci alism in general.
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  16.  z1  "and preserved pri vate pro perty ," Wrong. Individual ownership rights were understood to be strictly subordinate to collective discipline. It was not the individual ownership of property that concerned fa scists, but it subordination to collective control. Property was understood to perform social functions rather than to manifest individual rights. It was clear that the conception of property as a social function was broad enough to include sociali zation of the means of production, should that be required by the national interests as interpreted by the state.
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  17.  z1  " individual initiative and profit" Wrong. In 1934, Musso lini reiterated that capit alism, as an economic system, was not viable. Fasc ist economy was to be based not on indiv idual profit but on colle ctive interest.
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  18.  z1  "the sys tem of economics most associated with fasc ism is Corpo ratism , not soci alism..." Wrong. Corp oratism is not an economic system. Fas cist economy was based on socia lism and it was managed via corpora tism, which was a gover nment body that brought together federations of workers and employers syndicates belonging to the same profession and branch, to regulate production in a holistic manner. Each trade union would theoretically represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose wasn't the promotion of private interest, but the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Muss olini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
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  19.  @Defund-The-GOP  : Incorrect. Fa sci sm was a specific type of fa r-l eft so ci alis m.
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  20.  @Cancel-The-GOP  "It's a combination of rig ht-win g and l eft-win g ideas that combine to be the archetypal version of ri ght-wi ng populism." Incorrect. Fa scis m was a political ideology and philosophy which reject ed individua lism, capi talism, liberal ism/democ racy, and ma rxis m, in which the means of production was organized by national worker syndi cals (i.e. tr ade unio ns). It was a form of so cialis m and has noth ing to do with any kind of rig ht-wi ng pol itics whatsoever.
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  21.  @Cancel-The-GOP  "It's kind of like rig ht-wi ng libertarianism" Incorrect. It is exactly the oppo site of libe rtariani sm, meaning bi g govern ment where the gov ernment is contro lling the economy, busines ses and people's personal lives. Still has nothing to do with any kind of rig ht-wi ng polit ics whats oever.
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  22.  @Mark-zk3gu  : "there are no le ft wi ng ideas in fa scism" Incorrect. Fa scis m was a f ar-le ft ideology.
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  23.  @Ben00000  : How abo ut you go and rea d some hist ory before you keep posti ng more no nsen se.
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  24. @aratosm: There is no reason to trust Wok epe dia and "dictionaries" that retroactively try to change things.
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  25.  @lakeguy65616  Owned by the previously mentioned collective, which depends on the ideology/movement. In short, socialism is about the collective direct ownership or control, of the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods.
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  26. @kaneinkansas "Fascism, per Mussolini is “the merger of corporate and state power.”" Except this is wrong and Mussolini has never said such a thing. Common misquote. There was no such merger, and businesses were subjugated under the power of the State.
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  27. @kaneinkansas "Add to that: an ideology that merges corporate and state power into an oligarchic authoritarian system; it is impelled by the concentration of wealth and power by those who have wealth and power and do not want to share it. It makes use of other ideologies and systems, such as religious religiosity to consolidate and facilitate its perpetual ascendancy - it is, therefore, increasingly (over time) authoritarian in its practice. It will lie about its objectives if that facilitates its perpetuation. It views anything that is not fascist as communism/socialism." This has very little to do with Fascism however, and is more aligned with Corporatocracy. The proper definition of Fascism is as follows: a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile*
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  28. @kaneinkansas "We call it fascist because of its authoritarianism" However National Socialism had nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. They were two fundamentally different ideologies.
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  29.  @z2z3z45  : Wrong. Trump being a "capitalist bourgeoisie" is one of the very things the Fascists opposed... also Trump is not a socialist, unlike the Fascists.
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  30.  @regisglass5464  "Again, why pretend you provided a quote of the doctrine of fasc ism stating fasc ism is left wing? " There is nothing to pretend. Mussolini himself said it was a left wing movement. Learn to read. “Our programs are definitely equal to our revolutionary ideas and they belong to what in democratic regime is called “left”; our institutions are a direct result of our programs and our ideal is the Labor State. In this case there can be no doubt: we are the working class in struggle for life and death, against capitalism. We are the revolutionaries in search of a new order. If this is so, to invoke help from the bourgeoisie by waving the red peril is an absurdity. The real scarecrow, the real danger, the threat against which we fight relentlessly, comes from the right. It is not at all in our interest to have the capitalist bourgeoisie as an ally against the threat of the red peril, even at best it would be an unfaithful ally, which is trying to make us serve its ends, as it has done more than once with some success. I will spare words as it is totally superfluous. In fact, it is harmful, because it makes us confuse the types of genuine revolutionaries of whatever hue, with the man of reaction who sometimes uses our very language.” - Benito Mussolini, Speech on April 22, 1945 in Milan.
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  31.  @regisglass5464  "Do you pretend because saying otherwise means fasc ism is right wing?" There is nothing to pretend. Fasci sm was a totalitarian far-left, socia list ideology based on national syndicalism. It had nothing to do with right wing of any kind whatsoever.
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  32.  @alechinshaw5990  : They are opposites when it comes to how they wanted socialism to be implemented.
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  33. You cannot. Socialism (collectivism) is only on the Left side of the spectrum. Meanwhile people on the Right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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  34. @Morris Yes: Projecting much? Fa  scis  m has nothing to do with "ri  ght wi  ng" whatsoever. Gentile was a m  arxi  sts. Fa  sci  sm was formulated out of M  arxis  m and Sor  elian sy  ndica  lism. Fa  sci  sm was a form of to  talita  rian so  ciali  sm. Go read some history, kiddo. Start with the book called "the doctrine of fas  cism" by Giovanni Gentile and Mussolini.
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  35.  @morrisyes5676  : Giovanni was an university professor who was teaching Ma rxis m. Then of course when he started formulating fa scis m, he started going against it. "The Fa sci st, on the other hand, conceives philosophy as a philosophy of practice (”praxis”). That concept was the product of certain Mar xist and Sor ellian inspirations (many Fa sci sts and the Duce, himself, received their first intellectual education in the school of Ma rx and Sorel)—as well as the influence of contemporary Italian idealistic doctrines from which Fas cist mentality drew substance and achieved maturity.“ The left was against auth oritaria nism prior French revolution, however that's not what the modern left advocates. Le ft-win g beliefs are liberal in that they believe society is best served with an expanded role for the government. People on the rig ht believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized. When it comes to Adolf and his nat ional soci alists, oh they certainly were soci alists just like Muss olini and his fas cists. Did you sleep during your history classes or are they not allowed to teach about Adolf in Germany?
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  36. @ArtWorks Studio: Not according to the politics of today. Before the french revolution, sure. However nowadays it is the political right who is in favor of civilian liberties, freedom and small government.
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  37.  @artwerksDallas  : Fascism opposed capitalism and is at the opposite side of the political spectrum, since it was based on totalitarian socialism.
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  38. "Facism is the belief in a strong leader taking care of everything - even at the cost of the individual." Actually this is the definition of Autocracy. Fascism didn't believe in one strong leader. They believed in Statism.
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  39. Hit ler had nothing to do with fa scism whatsoever. He was a national soci alist, no a fas cist.
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  40.  @z2z3z45  "Fascism was actually a reaction against socialism " Wrong. Fascism was a reaction against Marxism, and they had no problems with socialism.
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  41.  @z2z3z45  "Fascism is basically an irrational ," Wrong. Fascism was neither ‘anti-intellectual’ nor, in principle ‘irrationalist.’ Giovanni Gentile’s rationale was neo-Hegelian in origin, the same source out of which Marxism and Marxism-Leninism were to emerge. In fact, Gentile understood Marxism so well that his essay on the thought of the young Marx has not only withstood the test of time, but was, on the occasion of its publication, recommended as particularly insightful by V.I. Lenin.
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  42. @z2z3z45 "They went to Corporatism later , but it was a business-centered system based on nation building..." Corporatism had nothing to do with businesses per se. Corporatism ("corporativismo" in Italian) was one of the cornerstone principles in Mussolini's fascism, and had to do with the way society and the economy would be organized, with state power at the head of a system of nationalized syndicates ("corporazione") representing each major industry. Mussolini's corporatist view stressed total state power over businesses as much as over individuals, via these governing industry bodies controlled by the Fascist party, in which businesses retained the responsibilities of property, but few if any of the freedoms. Each profession and field had their own Syndicate, which in turn, operated symbiotically with its composed members, whose activities and interactions were managed and coordinated by the government. The idea was to let the state control and direct the economy from the top-down without itself directly owning the means of production.
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  43. @johnnysheen9615 "Fascism is extreme Right wing politics." Wrong. Fascism was neither extreme nor Right wing. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  44. @johnnysheen9615 "With a single leader that what he says goes." Pretty much how every socialist, one-party dictatorship worked.
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  45. @Worldmisery "No. Fascism was right wing " Wrong. Again, Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. It was a socialist ideology and strictly anti-capitalist.
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  46. @Worldmisery " it was a continuation of previous conservative politics" Wrong. Fascism was strictly anti-conservative ideology and movement during its time. They didn't want to conserve the already existing system nor defend the status quo.
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  47. @Worldmisery "and a breakaway from socialism." Wrong. It was no such thing. If anything, it was a "breakaway" for Marxism, not socialism.
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  48. @Worldmisery "is that why they burned socialist books, " They burned Marxist and Jewish books mainly. Anything that didn't go with their own racist and socialist worldview.
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  49. @Worldmisery "sent marxists and social democrats to death camps" This was about political rivalry, just like it was back in Russia, where the Bolsheviks sent their socialist rivals, Mensheviks and Trotskyists to Gulags during and after the October Revolution.
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  50. @Worldmisery "and attacked the Soviet Union?" First they were allies, however Hitler had his own vision of "Lebensraum", which was the primary motivation for invading the Soviet Union.
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