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FURTUNA FURTUNA So you are calling God a liar?
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@lotte5173 Jesus says in John 10:30-33 that He and the Father are one. That raises the question “one what”? From the context we read in verse 33 that the Jews who Jesus was talking to wanted to kill Jesus for saying that He is God. So clearly Jesus said that He and the Father are ONE GOD.
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@lotte5173 You do not follow Jesus when you deny his divinity.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship where some 360 idol gods were being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? And of course Muslims are not Christian or Jews. Both Christians and Jews believe in the ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible and Muslim follow Mohammed's allah who Mohammed says commanded him to follow all the pagan idol god worshiping practices like walking around the Kaaba, kissing the black stone, etc. By that alone Christians and Jews know that Mohammed's allah was never our Almighty God of the Bible.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA - The first logical reason why Islam is not for the whole world is that it was only presented in Arabic which was a very minor language of its time and did not even have a complete written language that could not be misinterpreted. - Secondly as the quran contradicts what the God teaches in the Bible and does not confirm what the Bible teaches as proclaimed by Mohammed, so logically it cannot be from God. - Thirdly, with Jesus dying on the cross, no further prophet was needed for all of man-kind. Which explains why Mohammed was so desperately trying to suggest that Jesus did not die on the cross for all of man-kind. Mohammed making this vague suggestion that Jesus did not die on the cross of course would mean that God had lied to all Christians for some 600 years which of course is not logical. - Fourthly, after Mohammed was rejected by the Jews in Medina, he either banished them Medina or murdered them. Clearly not something our God of the Bible would do. - Fifthly, after Mohammed had abandoned his hope of persuading the Jews in Medina to accept him as a prophet he went back to following pagan idol worship rituals like bowing down to the Kaaba when it is was full of pagan idol gods. Later going on the pilgrimage to the Kaaba when it was still of pagan idols. Mohammed kissed the black stone in the Kaaba like the pagan idol worshippers. Mohammed walked around the Kaaba like the pagan idol worshippers. And Mohammed followed the bowing down ritual in prayer just like pagan idol worshippers did. - Sixthly, Mohammed insulted God when he claimed that Jesus was not God but that he was only a prophet of God. These points all show that Mohammed was never a prophet of our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Jesus says in John 10:30-33 that He and the Father are one. That raises the question “one what”? From the context we read in verse 33 that the Jews who Jesus was talking to wanted to kill Jesus for saying that He is God. So clearly Jesus said that He and the Father are ONE GOD. Now if Jesus is God then Mohammed insulted God by calling Jesus just a prophet. On the other hand if Jesus is not God then saying that He and the Father are ONE GOD would make Jesus a liar and blasphemer which means that Mohammed insulted God by saying that a liar and blasphemer is a prophet of God. So irrespective if Jesus is God or not it means that Mohammed insulted God by calling Jesus a prophet. Of course anyone who insults God cannot be a prophet of God. You should read the whole Gospel to understand what our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible teaches. I am glad you recognize that Mohammed is a false prophet as he denied the fact that the human body of the Word of God died on the cross as payment for our sins. So tell me, why do you keep running away from my simple question? Why do you believe that following Mohammed who was the only prophet of Islam will you get to heaven?
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FURTUNA FURTUNA We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship where some 360 idol gods were being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? We see that Mohammed bowed down in worship to the Kaaba when it had 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. If Mohammed was not worshipping the idols in the Kaaba, he would have torn down the Kaaba and built a new mosque somewhere else in Mecca. As he did not do that, we know that his allah was one of the idol gods in the Kaaba. As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater. So tell us all, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven? And do remember all of Islam is only based on what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA My friend you display your ignorance of the Bible so brilliantly. The Torah is part of the Bible and yes it was written in Hebrew and some parts were written in Aramaic. The Gospel on the other was written in Greek as that was the language used in the Roman empire at that time and there were plenty of people who could read and write Greek. And that my friend shows that the quran was never from God as it was written in Arabic a language that was not even fully developed as a written language in the middle of the 7th century. And hardly anyone knew how to read Arabic. Clearly not a language that God would use to reach the whole world. We read in that hadiths that some 20 years after Mohammed had died, different groups of Muslims recited the quran so differently that fights broke out between these groups as to who was reciting the quran correctly. So the memorization of the quran had already failed completely just 20 after Mohammed had died. Uthman then compiled a new quran based on the quran of Hafsa and the burnt all of the originals. So you do not have the original quran from Mohammed. And we read in the islamic sources that more than 100 verses of Surah 33 are missing and many other verses as well. And even the qurans written by Uthman have all been lost. So nobody know what Mohammed or Uthman ever really wrote in the qurans. But we read that Uthman wrote only one quran in one dialect. Yet today we can buy more than 30 different Arabic qurans. So we know that they are all corrupted. And I have two Arabic qurans here at home and they have many verses in them that should be the same but they are different. Clearly my friend you have been told a fairy tale about the perfectly preserved quran, especially as many sections in the quran make more sense when you read them in Aramaic.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA So you admit you do not want to know the truth and prefer to believe a fairy tale. So answer my simple question. Why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven?
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FURTUNA FURTUNA My dear friend, what you believe or not believe has a direct influence if you will make it into heaven on judgement day. Jews and Christians worship our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible. And do remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises all who follow Jesus a place in heaven. And that is true tranquility and peace. Mohammed's allah is not the same as our Almighty God of the Bible, so I have no idea who "the god" is that you believe in. So I believe you when you say that you believe in one god, but that one god is not our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible. So tell me, why do you believe that you will get to heaven when you follow Mohammed who was the only prophet of islam. And if you you not know that following Mohammed will get you into heaven, why do you follow him?
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Again you run away from my simple question. Why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven? And if you do not know that following Mohammed will get you to heaven, then why do you follow Mohammed? As soon as you have answered my question I will gladly answer yours.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Satan also believes in all the prophets and messengers of God, but he does not submit to our Almighty God of the Bible. So just believing in all the prophets and messengers of God does not make anyone a Muslim. One has to follow the commandments of God to be a follower of God. People who follow Mohammed do not follow the commandments of Moses or Jesus. And of course Mohammed was never a prophet or messenger of our Almighty God of the Bible. So the term muslim is only applicable to people who follow Mohammed, in any other application the term muslim is meaningless. You want to show me why you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven, then using the term “muslim” will not help you.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Satan also believes in all the prophets and messengers of God, but he does not submit to our Almighty God of the Bible. So just believing in all the prophets and messengers of God does not make anyone a Muslim. One has to follow the commandments of God to be a follower of God. People who follow Mohammed do not follow the commandments of Moses or Jesus. And of course Mohammed was never a prophet or messenger of our Almighty God of the Bible. So the term muslim is only applicable to people who follow Mohammed, in any other application the term muslim is meaningless. You want to show me why you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven, then using the term “muslim” will not help you.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Thanks for admitting that you do not know that following Mohammed, the only prophet of islam, will get you to heaven. You see that is why I reject islam as being a religion from our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible, as our God promises all who follow Jesus a place in heaven for eternity. As Mohammed does not show you how you can get to heaven, logically that makes him a false prophet. I pity you on judgement day.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Correct, our Almighty God of the Bible is ONE GOD. Every Christian knows this. But how does that show that if you follow Mohammed you will get to heaven? The issue is not that you believe in one god, the issue is that you have to believe in the ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible. And we all know that Mohammed's allah is not the same as our OE TRUE GOD of the BIble. So how will you get to heaven if you follow Mohammed? And if you do not know that following Mohammed will get you to heaven, then why do you follow Mohammed?
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Again you admit that following Mohammed who is the only prophet of islam will not get you or anyone else to heaven. Changing the subject does not change the fact, than on judgement day you will have to pay for your sins which means you will not get to heaven. I assume even you know where that will get you. As I said, I pity you on judgement day. >> Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). << Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64. Here we read that Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old child. That makes Mohammed an evil child rapist and disgusting pervert. And that is what the most authentic islamic sources tell us. You really believe that following this evil man will get you to heaven?
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@Bunyourdesires Thank you for sharing your opinion here. As you provide no facts or logic for your opinion, it is in fact meaningless. So let me help you. First you have have to show what he said by reporting the time stamp and what he said. Then you have show what you consider to be the truth and on what you base that truth. That is how you show that what he said is factually false. For this to be a lie you need to prove that he actually knew what the truth was, which I doubt you can. So lets stick to the easy part and you prove that what he said is factually or logically false. And do remember your opinion is of no interest here.
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@sura2proyect428 Why would Christians winning be a problem?
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@sura2proyect428 Nice summary, thank you. I fully agree with you in this matter. Islam is just evil and therefore cannot be from God. And of course anyone who believes their sins will be erased when they kiss a stone has been lied to.
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I have read the hafs quran and some of the hadiths and found the following very disturbing about Mohammed and his allah: - Islam teaches that child marriage is OK which implies child rape (Surah 65:4) which is evil. And Mohammed of course led by example when he raped a 9 year old little girl. - Islam teaches that it is OK for a husband to beat his wife (Surah 4:34) which is evil. - Islam teaches that it is OK to use women captured in war to be used and sold as sex slaves (Surah 33:50) which evil. - Islam teaches that Christians and Jews must be fought until they have been killed (murdered) unless they submit to Islam and agree to be oppressed second class citizens in the own country (Surah 9:29) which is evil. - And the witness of a women is worth only half of that of a man. (Surah 2:282). That is an insult to all women. So that is my problem with the many different Arabic qurans we can all buy. And we should always remember all of Islam is only what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. Lets see what Jesus said: - Jesus teaches in John 14:6 English Standard Version » 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. « So who needs Mohammed and his allah? Logically no-one, especially as Mohammed does not explain how anyone gets to heaven following what he recited or how he lived.
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@al-adeelah2507 So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to be with GOD in heaven on judgement day my friend? And remember on judgement day there will be ONLY heaven where GOD is or the other place, so where does that leave you my friend?
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@boraplong2724 That is a very valid observation. Thank you.
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Mohammed said that his allah commanded that Mohammed bow down in worship in the direction of the Kaaba just like the pagans did. And Mohammed did that for some 5 years (624 AD to 629 AD) when the Kaaba was a shrine dedicate to 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. So who was Mohammed’s allah who was happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst 360 pagan idol gods? We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba just like the pagans did when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. And Mohammed attributed magical properties to the black stone just like the pagans did. And of course Mohammed never destroyed the Kaaba or the black stone both of which are symbols of idol god worship. So Mohammed did not destroy paganism, he actually practised it. As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol god. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater.
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@jmurdock8303 So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD our Father in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief.
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@IjtabaAli-q1p You say >> you have so much misinformation about Islam. << So tell me, what “misinformation” are you referring to? Or don’t you have any which is why you want to change the subject? You say >> Which bible do you follow? << I use a number of translations, so which version of the quran do you use? I have two Arabic versions of the quran right here at home. You say >> Catholic bible or Protestant bible which has 7 less books? << There is no difference between them in what GOD teaches there. So you can use any one. And both are available on the internet in a number of translations. So again, which version of the quran do you use and why that one? You say >> Abraham had slave-girl so did Jacob had two slave-girls. << You think that is not known?? After all Ishmael that is the father of Mohammed came from the slave women. That is why only the descendents if Isaac are the true line of Abraham. That makes Mohammed a false prophet. No Christian or Jews follows Abraham or Jacob today or see them as an example to follow. On the other Muslims today consider Mohammed to be THE example to follow. From the islamic sources we know that after Mohammed moved to Medina he lived the life of a war-lord who robbed, raped, committed adultery and child abuse (when he raped a 9 year old child), he also murdered and tortured for financial gain and he enslaved women and little children. If that is the best example islam had to offer then islam is not worth following. Now tell me, why do you believe that YOU will be with GOD our Father in heaven on judgement day, when you follow Mohammed? And remember if there are no clear quran verses that promise you a place in heaven with GOD our Father, then islam is the straight path to hell.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Are you really so ignorant that you do not know that Jesus was not created. Jesus is the Word of God which makes Him God and God was not created. Strange that in these current times one still asks such irrelevant questions.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA The human body of Jesus dies on the cross. This proves that Mohammed was never a prophet of God as he claimed the opposite. And if the people who executed Jesus followed Jesus, He would forgive their sins. Are you really so ignorant of what the Bible teaches? No tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven? And if you do know if following Mohammed will get you to heaven why do you follow him?
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you or anyone else to heaven? And if you do not know that following Mohammed will get you to heaven, then why are you following Mohammed? And do remember all of islam is only based on what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. Nobody actually knows what Mohammed really recited as Uthman burnt all the originals. And we know that Uthmans quran is missing more than 100 verses of surah 33.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you or anyone else to heaven? And if you do not know that following Mohammed will get you to heaven, then why are you following Mohammed? And do remember all of islam is only based on what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. Nobody actually knows what Mohammed really recited as Uthman burnt all the originals. And we know that Uthmans quran is missing more than 100 verses of surah 33.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship where some 360 idol gods were being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? We see that Mohammed bowed down in worship to the Kaaba when it had 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. If Mohammed was not worshipping the idols in the Kaaba, he would have torn down the Kaaba and built a new mosque somewhere else in Mecca. As he did not do that we know that his allah was one of the idol gods in the Kaaba. As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater. PS: Not one of the prophets of the Bible bowed down in worship to the Kaaba. They did not pray 5 times a day. They did not follow the pagan idol worship rituals followed by Mohammed. Mohammed never worshiped our Almighty God of the Bible which is the ONE TRUE GOD worshiped by all the prophets of the Bible.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship where some 360 idol gods were being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? We see that Mohammed bowed down in worship to the Kaaba when it had 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. If Mohammed was not worshipping the idols in the Kaaba, he would have torn down the Kaaba and built a new mosque somewhere else in Mecca. As he did not do that we know that his allah was one of the idol gods in the Kaaba. As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place of pagan idol worship where some 360 idol gods were being worshipped there at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac would never have condoned bowing down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? We see that Mohammed bowed down in worship to the Kaaba when it had 360 pagan idol gods being worshipped there. We know Mohammed did his pilgrimage to the Kaaba when all these idol gods were being worshipped there. We know that Mohammed kissed the black stone just like the pagan idol worshippers did. We know that Mohammed walked around the Kaaba just like the pagan idol worshippers did. If Mohammed was not worshipping the idols in the Kaaba, he would have torn down the Kaaba and built a new mosque somewhere else in Mecca. As he did not do that we know that his allah was one of the idol gods in the Kaaba. As the saying goes, if quacks like a duck and it waddles like a duck it must be a duck. Mohammed worshipped just like the pagan idol worshippers did and that makes him an idol worshippers. And of course one is still a monotheist if one worships only one pagan idol. But that does not change the fact that Mohammed bowed down in worship to pagan idols which makes him an idolater.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA My dear friend, Mary covered her hair to keep it from getting full of dust. Today here in Europe we have no dust in the air and we have have showers and shampoo which allow all people to wash and clean their hair. So functionally there is no requirement to cover ones hair. And of course nowhere in the Bible do we read that there is a requirement for women to cover their hair. Now in islam women have to cover their heads to show that they are Muslims which then avoids them from being molested by Muslim men. As we have a good police force here in Europe Muslim men do generally not molest women who do not cover their hair. So again there is no reason why women need to cover their hair. A any man who tries to molest a women winds up in jail which is where such men belong.
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FURTUNA FURTUNA Where did Jesus say that? And we do read that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. So Jesus as the Word of God which makes Him God is the way we can see God. Now tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to heaven?
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@maddaddy77 So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to be with GOD in heaven on judgement day my friend? And remember on judgement day there will be ONLY heaven where GOD is or the other place, so where does that leave you my friend?
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@maddaddy77 Mohammed did not make peace he invaded and occupied Non-Muslim territories. So I am glad that you are not inviting people to this evil ideology.
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Surah 9:29 Sahih International >> Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. « Here we read that Mohammed demanded the following: - Fight those who do not believe in allah, that means all Non-Muslims which make up about 75% of the world population. (Jews and Christians do not believe in Mohammed’s allah but in the Almighty God of the Bible.) - Fight those who do not believe in the Last Day, that means all people who are not Muslim, Christians or Jewish. - Fight those who consider lawful what Mohammed and his allah have declared unlawful. That makes up all Non-Muslims. - Fight those who do not adopt Islam as true from the Jews and Christians. That part can be applied to all the points beforehand, even though the verse is written so badly that it is not clear what the writer actually wanted to say. But it does demand that all Jews and Christians must be fought and killed who reject Islam. So in effect Mohammed demands that at least all Jews and Christians must be fought which implies killing them unless they surrender to Islam and they pay protection money to the Islamic invaders who have occupied their country whilst being humiliated. That implies that they must submit to Islamic rule and agree to be oppressed second class citizens in their own country. What we do not see in this verse is that Muslims should fight only in defence or against traitors of Islam. When we then see that in Islam the world is divided into the house of Islam and the house of war, then we see that Islam views itself at being at war with all Non-Islamic society unless they have a treaty with them. And that as we know is not the case with “the West”. And of course anyone who leaves Islam is considered a traitor and therefore also needs to be fought and killed.
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@readquranandlearnaboutisla592 I have read the hafs quran and some of the hadiths and found the following very disturbing about Mohammed and his allah: - Islam teaches that child marriage is OK which implies child rape (Surah 65:4) which is evil. And Mohammed of course led by example when he raped a 9 year old little girl. - Islam teaches that it is OK for a husband to beat his wife (Surah 4:34) which is evil. - Islam teaches that it is OK to use women captured in war to be used and sold as sex slaves (Surah 33:50) which evil. - Islam teaches that Christians and Jews must be fought until they have been killed (murdered) unless they submit to Islam and agree to be oppressed second class citizens in the own country (Surah 9:29) which is evil. - And the witness of a women is worth only half of that of a man. (Surah 2:282). That is an insult to all women. So that is my problem with the many different Arabic qurans we can all buy. And we should always remember all of Islam is only what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. Lets see what Jesus said: - Jesus teaches in John 14:6 English Standard Version » 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. « So who needs Mohammed and his allah? Logically no-one, especially as Mohammed does not explain how anyone gets to heaven following what he recited or how he lived.
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@Servant-Of-Al-Qudus We read that in the year 624 AD Mohammed changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to the Kaaba because Mohammed’s allah commanded Mohammed to do so. At that time the Kaaba was a place of pagan idol worship. So Mohammed bowed down in worship to a place where pagans worshipped some 360 idol gods at that time. We know from the Bible that our God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jakob would never have commanded or even condoned that one of His prophets would bow down in worship to a place where pagan idols were being worshipped. So clearly Mohammed’s allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jakob. So who is Mohammed’s allah who is happy to be worshipped as “the god” amongst some 360 pagan idol gods? All we know for certain is, that Mohammed’s allah is not our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible.
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Surah 65:4 Sahih International » And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease. « So here we read about divorce. As a side issue, of course Jesus forbade divorce, except for adultery, so we know Mohammed is contradicting what Jesus taught. But that is not the issue here. The first part speaks about older women who have stopped menstruating. The next part >> and [also for] those who have not menstruated. … << So who are wives who have not menstruated?? That refers to prepubescent children. Logically a Muslim man cannot divorce a wife if he has not married her. So marrying children is approved in Islam. And marrying children means having sex with children which is raping children and that is evil. So here we have Mohammed and his allah approving of Muslim men raping little girls which proves that Mohammed was never a prophet of our Almighty God of the Bible.
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@Dodgydrains Muslims do not stop at 3 qurans, we can buy more than 30 different Arabic qurans and according to muslims all these different Arabic qurans are all one perfectly preserved quran.
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@donthomson10 You are wrong there are some 40 different Arabic quran I know of.
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@Tasfir701 So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you believe that following Mohammed will get you to be with GOD in heaven on judgement day my friend? And remember on judgement day there will be ONLY heaven where GOD is or the other place, so where does that leave you my friend?
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@gcsparts You should look around, Christianity is actually growing especially in the Middle East and Africa and China and Indonesia.
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@XaiderMaider Corect and due to the internet these lies are exposed which means that islam will eventually die.
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@Durray13 So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief. Remember our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible promises every person that if they accept Jesus as their saviour and follow what Jesus commanded until they die, they will be with GOD in heaven. As Mohammed claimed to be the final prophet, surely he promised the same for people who follow Mohammed? If not where does it leave you my friend?
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@SunOfG0D You say >> God is infinite and his names are therefore endless. The value of a name is only the meaning that we derive from it. << That is actually a very good description of how humans decide what a pagan idol god is the meaning. So yes, GOD is eternal, and that is the case for our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible. And our GOD of the Bible tells us HIS name. So can you tell me the name of Mohammed’s “the god”? You say >> With the semitic languages - we can derive many meanings from related root words - so Allah would derive meaning from وله (walah) << Actually it does not. The root is “lh” which is a contraction of “al-ilah” which refer to “the deity” with the loss of the initial hamza after the definite article “al”. You say >> which translates to endless love/irresistable attraction which can only be found in God << You show your confusion as “god” is a common noun and not a name. And certainly Mohammed’s “the god” is not a god of love and attraction. In fact we see in the hafs version of the quran that Mohammed’s “the god” approves of evil such as raping women captured in battle (surah 33:50) and wife beating “(surah 4:34) and child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls (those who have not menstruated) which is pure evil my friend and certainly not endless love or attraction. And yes, endless love for us is found in the GOD of the Bible which proves that Mohammed’s “the god” is NOT our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible. You say >> true worship can only be experienced when directed to God and no other. << So you admit that Muslims do not do true worship as they do not direct their worship to our ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible but only to Mohammed’s “the god”. You say >> I personally disagree with anyone who says Allah means "the God" << My friend, I do not care what you personally agree or disagree with. In the Arabic the word “allah” means “the god”. You say >> as even the word God has it's unique etymology << the word “god” is a common known and refers to any god. So when the ancient Greeks referred to “the god” they would have referred to Zeus and the pagan idol god worshippers in Mecca called their pagan moon god “allah”. Or are you saying that Mohammed’s “allah” is actually the pagan moon god worshipped by the pagans in Mecca? Now tell me, why do you believe that YOU will be with GOD our Father in heaven on judgement day, when you follow Mohammed? And remember if there are no clear quran verses that promise you a place in heaven with GOD our Father, then islam is the straight path to hell.
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@SADOZAI_KHAN-g9o So tell me, which Arabic version of the quran do you use and why that one? Or do you not even know that there are some 40 different versions of the Arabic quran we know of? Of course all these qurans were written by unknown authors. And how do you deal with all the mistakes, discrepancies, inconsistencies and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as raping women who have been captures in battle (surah 33:50) which is adultery and wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated. And remember all of islam is only based what Mohammed maybe recited and how he lived. So tell me, why do you even believe that you will be with GOD our Father in heaven on judgement day when you follow Mohammed? And do show the quran verses on which you base your belief.
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cdkablan5677 So tell me which version of the quran do you use and why that one? And how do you deal with all the mistakes and contradictions in that quran as well as the approval of evil such as wife beating (surah 4:34) as well as child marriage (surah 65:4) which means that Mohammed and his allah approved of raping little prepubescent girls. And we see that Mohammed led by example when he married a 6 year old child and then raped that child when it was just 9 years old. Clearly Mohammed disqualified himself as a prophet of GOD by the evil he perpetrated.
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cdkablan5677 But the Hebrew Bible does not change what is written in the New Testament, so how is the number of books in the Hebrew Bible relevant?
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