Comments by "antonyjh1234" (@antonyjh1234) on "Richard J Murphy"
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Give almost half the world an extra five dollars a day and they could double their consumption, this isn't a lot of money, but all money is debt, how will somebody who gets ten dollars a day be able to raise debt.
As all money is debt, if the debt is paid back, the loan, it doesn't exist anymore, that money doesn't exist any-more. Money doesn't build up in the system and currently there is not the money for the value of the real estate. Growth, is only more money, and all money is debt so it's not less room to grow, its less debt being able to be entered into, especially for housing as its so expensive.
For the Uk to not fall behind it would have to show it can now do without money and survive off the embedded energy already put into society.
The thing we have to realise is we did all this for banker debt and now have nothing valuable in a real sense to show for it,
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People who have the ability to work are able to get loans because they can pay them back, a govt is able to say we will take a percentage of our constituents life's efforts in taxes so any money printed by the central bank, debt, is able to be given back. Because all new loans/debt is new money, that money needs to leave again or it builds up as taxes make money not exist anymore. Money is not like gold in that it does not build up, it is debt and therefore works on a basis of negative zero, they are always trying to get the loan back to zero, the debt as soon as it leaves the bank and hits an account, that is what we call money, we spend our lives around it and do all the things we do because of it, imagine we are fish in a pond that has water always pouring into it, the water must leave again or it floods while we fish carry on with our lives.
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@Pinkdam When we have massive amounts of obesity and people starving to death, just because of how much debt they hold or basically where they are born and then say "we should just leave it all to choice" is not really a democratic decision that I would expect to be a choice in aggregate by the public if they were given it. Saying we should leave it to choice whether virgins are beheaded to make sure the crops are good this year and saying the entire democratic way of life depends on being able to make the choice and keeping the old way of doing things does not have a leg to stand on, saying we can make informed decisions makes no difference to people dying from too much or too little food and I find it disgusting you would belittle the subject down to just a few people overweight, the massive amounts of over consumption, just because you have money, while others starve, is ultimately undemocratic as the people who are starving don't have any choice. The world has a distribution problem, not a supply problem, last year the world produced enough food for everyone to gain weight, choice shouldn't enter it at all, not whether people get basics or not.
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@Freesurfer688 I wrote this to a couple of other people, I think it explains it clearly
99.97% of the mass of the atmosphere is only 100k or 62 mile high. If you go above three and a half k you would need breathing apparatus, the point is every bit of stored carbon we are using in the range of 100 million 42 gallon drums daily is being put into this tiny sliver of atmosphere.
In a tank of diesel is the same amount of energy as my total electrical energy for 3,2 months in an Australian summer with the air con going 24-7, if somebody uses a tank a week for a year that is equal to 17 years of my electrical energy. We put this carbon in and it's not 0.04% of the atmosphere, all this mass is around us because of gravity, carbon gas mass, when it's parts per million, it is how many there are per million molecules. One million molecules is a really tiny amount of space, there are trillions and trillions just in the kilogram of air and all the square metres above you. We are now at around 430 molecules of carbon for each and every million sized parcel of air.
Now, radiation from the sun hits the earth, this heat needs to leave again, it travels through us to space again, if there are trillions and trillions of absolute squillions of more molecules that can absorb this heat, it slows down the transfer of heat, and you can not add to any system without it meaning something. The meaning something in this case is when God was supposedly around he didn't have an Esky so he left all the ice, that cools us to this temperature, roughly what we have had 15,000 years, he/she left it all out in the open.
Now we both believe that you can't add energy/heat to a system like that without it meaning something. They can of course work out what is coming and the way we are going it will be total destruction of everything you've known, should you call that alarmist I am not sure but it's the speed we are talking about this time. The temps they think we are going to go to because of this increased forced radiation has been on the earth before, and plants and animals lived. That time it took 700,000 years to reach that temp, this time they reckon we will do it in one thousand years, to a temp that nothing alive today has experienced and might mean instead of the average temperature of the earth being 15 it might be 30.
As we have taken millions of years to adapt and humans are now alive at a temperature that no human has experienced, in fact 3 million years, this isn't alarmist nonsense, this is something the sooner older people stop saying things they can't explain their way out of logically, the better. I understand change is hard considering something that is classed as normal your whole life has to change but the truth is there if you want to see it.
The powers that be would rather lie and keep everyone slaves than lose or change themselves, they are more likely afraid of total collapse if they finally told the real truth. The truth is windmills aren't going to stop the next 30 years because of the lag affect and of course for you that will be ok, myself probably as well. I will say again, we can not add energy to a system without it meaning something, just because you might not fully understand the whole issue does not in any way mean this is climate alarmism, what you should be more concerned with is the lack of alarm and why, imo.
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@howardosborne8647 I am not sure why you think this pertinent, cattle are carbon neutral for the metahne they emit in this country and many more. If a bog produces methane and it produces a certain amount each year because methane is gone after 80 years the bog or cattle, if the herd size has not increased has not increased warming. Did I not just say the temperatures were hotter too, if Co2 was higher an the temps were higher, what is it that you are proofing to me? Ohhh how lush it was, yep animals and plants, none of those are alive today, maybe the crocodile, which where I am is moving south because the waters are getting warmer. They don't have crocidiles everywhere but as the water is getting warmer their habitat increases in size. This is not hearsay, this is fact, so an animal like a crocidile knows the planet is warming why don't adult humans?
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@blackbulldog4897 ps : Is draining society of debt draining "it of its net financial assets"
I had a problem with the wording because then we would have to agree debt is an asset.
All the embedded energy that is in society would still exist, the buildings, roads water filtration plants, all these would still exist without money so then once all money is removed, which I am all for, which industries would people still want and the people are the asset then. So yeah, I don't agree with the wording of its financial assets because a lot remains as assets and if money does leave society which as you say us just debt to banks, when it should be debt to society, then how does debt to society become the real value.
We got into a lot of debt, for a long time to people who don't really care, getting rid of this debt to "them" could be the best thing to wash down the drain once and for all.
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