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@inquisitivemind007 All texts are orally. Text doesn’t speak. There is not a single Christian who pronounce words in the bible in the exact same way.
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@inquisitivemind007 Can you quote the Arabic? We can examine what Tabari says.
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@inquisitivemind007 The problem with the bible are not various readings. The problem with the bible are problems in the transmission. They don’t even have a verification method to know if someone really said something. That’s why you see complete chapters and verses added, removed. It’s Christians who claim that the bible is transmitted textually. If there are huge differences in text. We can simply say that the bible is corrupted.
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@sura_65.4 I’m an Arab. I know Arabic. You don’t even know English.
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@inquisitivemind007 What’s the logical contradiction? Christians claim there is only one god. In reality there are three gods. Three selves are three gods. The Quran is defined by what is approved by god. It doesn’t matter if god approved 10 or millions Qiraat. It’s still one Quran. The Quran is what has been approved by god. The Quran has never been defined as one reading. 🫠 Three selves are three gods.
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@lahleholivia7398 Why did he send Paul?
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@lahleholivia7398 Did you go to the trinitarian university?🥴🤣 No wonder why you can’t formulate a logical and coherent argument. 🕺🏻
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@lahleholivia7398 The second person in the trinity has a real physical reproduction part.🥴🤣
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@sura2proyect428 What is the writing of Paul?🥴🤣
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@sura2proyect428 Let’s accept that for the sake of argument. Where did Paul copy that from?🫠 Even if we accept your nonsensical claims. Paul still copied from other sources and gave it his own twist.
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@solascriptura1536 They are mentioned in the Nicean creed of three gods.
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@travisdempster4693 The trinity is a logical contradiction. Logical contradictions don’t exist or have the possibility to exist. God exists by necessity. Therefore the trinity is false. Try to engage with this robust argument. 🫠
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@CoolioMoDee It’s by far the most successful religion. That’s why you are obsessed by it.🫠
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@mystaree What is the definition of the Quran?🤓
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@mystaree What’s the problem with multiplicity?🥴 I don’t think you understand the logical problem of the trinity. The logical problem of the trinity is not the multiplicity. You haven’t formulated a logical argument. Your question is based on a misunderstanding of the objection against the trinity.🫠
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@solascriptura1536 They are mentioned in the Nicean creed of three gods.
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@X4VER279 Is each side a full coin?🫠 Is each person fully god?
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@CoolioMoDee You don’t even know your own religion. That’s the problem with Christians. They don’t even know the basics of their own religion and theology and pretend to be experts in other religions.🥴
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@maskva-u6f Did he exist? There is billion times more historical evidence for him than for Jesus and Paul combined. I’m not even talking about the OT figures. It’s funny how Christians attack their own position.
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@CoolioMoDee You don’t believe that. You are just trying to give yourself some confidence. Why do you think Chris is busy with his goofy videos? Because he knows a child cab refute the core doctrines of Christianity. He is upset about it because Muslims logically deconstruct your religion by your actual position and theology.
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@X4VER279 Do we have the same human essence? Are we one human being or two human beings?
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@CoolioMoDee You are out of arguments? You are demonstrating it right now. The moment a Christian gets schooled in logic. He tries to deflect with person attacks to avoid a serious discussion at all costs. But you claim to be people of truth.🥴 I wil give you something to think about. The trinity is the true god in your religion. Is Jesus the trinity? Or is he not true god enough?🫠
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@realityofliving_life What do you mean by direct talk?
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@mystaree I don’t have a problem with multiplicity. Nobody is attacking the trinity for multiplicity.
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@roskobiwan There is nothing to defend. He doesn’t even understand the subject. Let me explain. What has ahruf got to do with preservation?🥴🤣 Why is Chris using reports through chains of transmission which he rejects? He is incoherent. He uses reports from chains of transmission to argue that the chains of transmission can’t be relied on.🥴🤣
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@mystaree What is the issue? This is the issue. 1 The Father is God 2 The Son is God 3 The Spirit is God 4 the Father is not the Son 5 the Father is not the Spirit 6 The Son is not the Spirit 7 There is only one God. This is the issue. Each person is declared to be fully God. They are not eachother. There is only one God. This is a logical contradiction.
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@roskobiwan Chris is incoherent. I didn’t respond to the video. The video is incoherent. He refuted himself in the video. Did he present an objective methodology for preservation? The answer is no. Do you know why? Because he has to throw his bible in the bin. He thinks people are silly. He tries to bring the Quran to the level of the bible because he can’t defend the bible. Even non Muslim scholars don’t take this serious. Every objective scholar will say that the Quran is billion times better transmitted.
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@mystaree You have such great arguments. You got me busted.🥴🤣 Let me give an analogy from your bible. There is a general rule and a specific rule. One of the commandments is not to steal in your bible. Your god commands the Israelites to steal land and property of other nations at the same time. I can claim this is a contradiction. I don’t make these terrible ‘arguments’. There is always a general rule and specific rules. The general rule is that you can’t marry polytheists. The specific rule is the exception of Jews and Christians. They are both polytheists. The exception is made for the people of the book. There is no contradiction. Just like there is no contradiction when your god command to not steal in general and gives command to steal at specific moments.
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@TheLegend2000AD Does Jesus have a logos? Or he can’t speak? Is the logos of the Son another person in the godhead?
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@mystaree They are people of the book. They are closer to Muslims than atheists or other religion. That’s why the exception is made. It doesn’t matter if your book is corrupted or not for the argument. You believe in your book. I’m showing similar cases from your bible which you accept. There are many cases of general rules and exception. We can’t eat pork for example. That’s the general rule. But it’s allowed if your life is at risk. Let me give another example from your bible. It’s not allowed to work on the sabbath. This is a general rule in your bible. Jesus works on the sabbath to heal people in your bible. There is an exception being made for the general rule. I can name many more. You are not consistent. If you were consistent. You would declare all these examples as contradictions. You won’t do that.
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@Redsok There is no relevance in the questions. Let me give you an example. The relationship between Ahruf and Qiraat has nothing to do with preservation. These are completely different topics and subjects. Chris admits this. Because he affirms the ahruf. He took that knowledge from our reports based on the same CHAINS OF TRANSMISSION. Chris is not educated. He doesn’t even understand the subject. That’s why he is conflating relationships and preservation. He needs to show that his questions violates preservation. He hasn’t done that. He also assumes that the Quran can only be one recitation.🥴 Where did he get this made up criteria from? His whole video is poor. He doesn’t know how to make logical arguments.
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@roskobiwan They don’t take him serious. Which scholar takes Chris serious?🥴
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@Clashingthanos You should read your comment. ‘There is only ONE circle. But the THREE circles are not the same.’ There is one and three circles at the same time? Is it one circle or three circles?
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@uguroz3745 You are an ex Muslim?🤣 That makes you magically knowledgeable?🤣🥴 You try to make a logical argument. Your analogy is partialism. That’s condemned as a heresy. You don’t even understand your own religion. Muslims don’t affirm physical properties and attributes to god. You affirm real physical attributes and properties to the second person in the trinity post incarnation. I don’t have to misrepresent Christian theology to refute it. You can only misrepresent to try to refute your own strawman.
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@uguroz3745 You are speaking about ignorance. Your comments show your lack of education.
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@Clashingthanos How many circles are there? One or three?
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@EAD1142 My script is not used by them. I’m making logical arguments against your theological position. I’m showing logical contradictions in your actual and real position. Chris is asking many questions because he can’t make logical arguments. He thinks his questions are arguments.🥴🤣 Let’s say we don’t know what the Ahruf are exactly? How does that disprove preservation?🥴 What have both got to do with eachother? What has ahruf or Qiraat got to do with preservation?🥴
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@mystaree It does say that. The Quran literally warns against taking Jesus as God. There is a hard punishment for that. That’s association (shirk). You can only take Allah as God. Anyone that associates is a mushriq. The Quran is very explicit to only take Allah as God. It also explicitly denies the existence of other gods unlike the bible. ‘There is no god except Allah.’ (Quran) god of gods. (Bible)
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@Clashingthanos Do we have the same human nature ? Are we one human being or two human beings ?
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@uguroz3745 You haven’t made logical arguments. You have made the most absurd claims. You believe you made an argument.🥴 But you accuse others of being ignorant. I have presented logical arguments against your real position. You have only made ‘arguments’ against your own misrepresentations than nobody holds to. This is because of your lack of education. You want me to deal with your low level nonsense copied from non academic websites? We can do that. Your first claim is the fallacy of equivocation. If the word Quran is mentioned. It can only mean the attribute of god. It can’t mean the recitation of men that will testify for you. Your claim is based on this deliberate misrepresentation. If you have to misrepresent positions to make ‘arguments’. I simply means you have no arguments. You claim to be an ex Muslim. You don’t even know what the Islamic position is.🥴
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@uguroz3745 You don’t have arguments. Do you really think you came with something new? It’s all copied claims from uneducated people like Shamoun. You want me to deal with your ‘arguments’. Your first claim is based on the fallacy of equivocation. Which muslim or Islamic theology claims that the word Quran in that Hadith refers to the attribute of God?🤓 It refers to the recitation of the person. This is an action. Your own actions will testify for you. You claim to be an ex Muslim. You don’t even know basic Islamic theology. You don’t know how to make logical arguments based on real positions. That’s why you have to misrepresent others to try to refute your own misrepresentation. That’s not a logical but illogical argument.
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@Clashingthanos You compared circles to god. You have to be consistent. If there are no comparisons. You shouldn’t use analogies yourself.
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@uguroz3745 What’s your best argument? I want you to present your best argument. I don’t want to waste my time with your many fallacies. Present your best argument and I will respond. Let’s see how logical you are as an ‘ex Muslim’.
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@uguroz3745 You are not sincere. You are throwing hundred claims and expect me to respond to all of your silly claims. I don’t have time to respond to hundreds of claims. Can you give me your best argument. Why don’t you pick one. Just throwing claims are not arguments. It seems to me that you are scared to have a real discussion. Which one of the many silly claims do you want me to respond. Why don’t you pick one. Let’s see who is logical and who has no logic.🫠
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@uguroz3745 The verse is in the past tense. He has already fulfilled that condition. The context is immediate death. That’s what a cut of aorta means. It means that god will prevent him to even breath a single second. It doesn’t mean that he preached for more than two years and still reveals revelation.🫠 Is this your best ‘argument’?🥴🤣 The words in the Quran and Hadith are not even identical. You copied this poor claim from non academic Christian websites. This is your ‘level’.🥴 Cab you show me a medical doctor who claims you can live for two years with a cut of aorta?🤓🫵🏼
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@Redsok I don’t have time for red herrings. He didn’t make any point. He made only unproven assertions and tries to present it as evidence. Christians can’t formulate logical arguments. They don’t even know how to make an argument.
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@travisdempster4693 I don’t assume. There are three gods by the law of identity. Are you making a logical argument against me? Do you accept logic? How many gods are there by identity? Is the Son identical to the triune God? Is the Father identical to the triune God? How can The Son and the Father be tripersonal while being one person at the same time? These are logical arguments. You can’t engage and deal with them. There is another problem. You believe The Triune God is a real entity. You have four entities that you accept to be fully god. The Father, Son, Spirit and the triune God are all fully god. Your model of the trinity results in four gods.
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@uguroz3745 Muslims don’t believe in your made up interpretations of our sources. Nobody calls your made up interpretations Islam. That’s like me calling my made up interpretations of the bible Christianity. If you follow the religion of ‘truth’. How come you lie so much? ‘Muslims SEE Mohamed equal to God.’🤥🤥 Show me which muslim says or sees that?🤥 It’s amazing how much Christians are willing to lie to try to score cheap points.🤥🤓
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@sura2proyect428 What does enter into creation mean?
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@uguroz3745 You are waffling. That’s why YouTube doesn’t show your comment. They think you are a bot. Your claims are copied from non academic websites and channels. There is no substance. It’s just low level polemics.
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